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False memory tactics and false confessions
Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:58pm

"Most people easy to convince they committed a crime that never happened – study.

With enough personal background information about someone’s past, an interviewer can quite easily manipulate that person into confessing to a crime that he or she did not commit – or which never even happened, alleges a new study."

I wonder how the false memory study outlined below aligns with police interrogation techniques for eliciting confessions from their captives.

http://rt.com/news/223747-false-memory-crime-study/

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This is the first study of its kind that provides evidence suggesting that “full episodic false memories of committing crime can be generated in a controlled experimental setting,” the paper says.

Out of the 30 students whose “false event” involved some criminal activity, 21 were classified by the authors as having developed a “false memory” of the crime following the interviews. Eleven out of 15 students whose “crime” involved assaults or armed assault described the nature and “details of their exact dealings with police.”

The participants who were classified as having false memories of committing a crime indicated that they had later tried to recall and visualize the false event at home, five times on average, and had “low suspicion that the interviewer was trying to manipulate them somehow.”

“Understanding that these complex false memories exist, and that ‘normal’ individuals can be led to generate them quite easily, is the first step in preventing them from happening,” Shaw concluded. “By empirically demonstrating the harm ‘bad’ interview techniques – those which are known to cause false memories – can cause, we can more readily convince interviewers to avoid them and to use ‘good’ techniques instead.”

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #1 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:04pm

Indeed.. police interrogation tactics are first stand over the individual, easy to do when you already hold all the cards and they hold none - then impugn their integrity in answers and control the discussion by never permitting any question or comment from them to pass without attacking it - infer to the individual that they are somehow out of their tree and raise doubt about their personal sanity and where possible claim without any foundation they were either pissed or stoned or just going through a crazy - then explain how reasonable it is that they did indeed murder Johannes Bloggden with a length of undersea pipe still resting on the ocean floor ten miles deep even though they were five hundred miles away at the time..... and have them sign a confession to that effect.

Then watch the same corrupt techniques employed by the prosecuting 'attorney'.. who will blithely bully the defendant on the stand while ensuring that any objection raised by the defence is viewed as being an attack on the integrity of the court and the prosecution....

Criminals all - thieves in Armani suits....

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #2 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Indeed.. police interrogation tactics are first stand over the individual, easy to do when you already hold all the cards and they hold none - then impugn their integrity in answers and control the discussion by never permitting any question or comment from them to pass without attacking it - infer to the individual that they are somehow out of their tree and raise doubt about their personal sanity and where possible claim without any foundation they were either pissed or stoned or just going through a crazy - then explain how reasonable it is that they did indeed murder Johannes Bloggden with a length of undersea pipe still resting on the ocean floor ten miles deep even though they were five hundred miles away at the time..... and have them sign a confession to that effect.

Then watch the same corrupt techniques employed by the prosecuting 'attorney'.. who will blithely bully the defendant on the stand while ensuring that any objection raised by the defence is viewed as being an attack on the integrity of the court and the prosecution....

Criminals all - thieves in Armani suits....

Sounds like you have never witnessed a police interview or you have an axe to grind.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74824 Gender:	Re: False memory tactics and false confessions Reply #3 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:54pm Svengali wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:58pm: Most people easy to convince they committed a crime that never happened – study. I think the libs are familiar with that study ....
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: False memory tactics and false confessions Reply #4 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 5:36pm sounds a lot like.. Craig Thomson and Eddie Obeid.. maybe they should do a study of those guys to see how come they walk away with nothing to answer for.. its a Labor thing they are all coated with teflon..
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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #5 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

Steampipe wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Indeed.. police interrogation tactics are first stand over the individual, easy to do when you already hold all the cards and they hold none - then impugn their integrity in answers and control the discussion by never permitting any question or comment from them to pass without attacking it - infer to the individual that they are somehow out of their tree and raise doubt about their personal sanity and where possible claim without any foundation they were either pissed or stoned or just going through a crazy - then explain how reasonable it is that they did indeed murder Johannes Bloggden with a length of undersea pipe still resting on the ocean floor ten miles deep even though they were five hundred miles away at the time..... and have them sign a confession to that effect.

Then watch the same corrupt techniques employed by the prosecuting 'attorney'.. who will blithely bully the defendant on the stand while ensuring that any objection raised by the defence is viewed as being an attack on the integrity of the court and the prosecution....

Criminals all - thieves in Armani suits....

Sounds like you have never witnessed a police interview or you have an axe to grind.

Sounds like YOU have never witnessed a police interview or you have an axe to grind.

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #6 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:52pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Svengali wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Most people easy to convince they committed a crime that never happened – study.

I think the libs are familiar with that study .... Cheesy

Yes - accuse the unemployed of being slackers and leaners... then reap the privileges of excessive government remuneration for yourself while doing nothing of value.

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #7 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:57am

Greenslip insurance companies are accusing the Reserve Bank of Australia of holding interest rates at a low level and the insurance companies don't like how their returns from their investments, made up of your greenslip premiums, are on the decline

So who's making up for the shortfall in the greedy insurance companies' investment returns ?

You are ! ... the motorist. Read your letter accompaning your Greenslip lately ?

Insurance companies' giving themselves a bailout ... and sanctioned by the NSW State Govt who says nothing and just kicks along, not surprising since they rip an MCIS levy off us in addition to the private insurance companies' greenslips. The MCIS levy is getting hefty as well, so what is the greenslip for ?

The sooner the Libs and Labs are extinct, the sooner we can all relax and live in peace without their greed and habitual rapacity

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #8 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

Greenslip insurance companies are accusing the Reserve Bank of Australia of holding interest rates at a low level and the insurance companies don't like how their returns from their investments, made up of your greenslip premiums, are on the decline

So who's making up for the shortfall in the greedy insurance companies' investment returns ?

You are ! ... the motorist. Read your letter accompaning your Greenslip lately ?

Insurance companies' giving themselves a bailout ... and sanctioned by the NSW State Govt who says nothing and just kicks along, not surprising since they rip an MCIS levy off us in addition to the private insurance companies' greenslips. The MCIS levy is getting hefty as well, so what is the greenslip for ?

The sooner the Libs and Labs are extinct, the sooner we can all relax and live in peace without their greed and habitual rapacity

Well said - we are simply lined up and force milked whenever the governments want it... great image that...

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Rocketanski Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1335 Gender:	Re: False memory tactics and false confessions Reply #9 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 12:26pm Has this topic taken a sharp turn of late?
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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #10 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 12:59pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Svengali wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Most people easy to convince they committed a crime that never happened – study.

I think the libs are familiar with that study .... Cheesy

Yes - accuse the unemployed of being slackers and leaners... then reap the privileges of excessive government remuneration for yourself while doing nothing of value.

Not much more than the idea of suggestion is it?

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #11 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Indeed.. police interrogation tactics are

first stand over the individual, easy to do when you already hold all the cards and they hold none - then impugn their integrity in answers and control the discussion by never permitting any question or comment from them to pass without attacking it - infer to the individual that they are somehow out of their tree and raise doubt about their personal sanity and where possible claim without any foundation they were either pissed or stoned or just going through a crazy

- then explain how reasonable it is that they did indeed murder Johannes Bloggden with a length of undersea pipe still resting on the ocean floor ten miles deep even though they were five hundred miles away at the time..... and have them sign a confession to that effect.

Then watch the same corrupt techniques employed by the prosecuting 'attorney'.. who will blithely bully the defendant on the stand while ensuring that any objection raised by the defence is viewed as being an attack on the integrity of the court and the prosecution....

Criminals all - thieves in Armani suits....

Sounds like mum and dad!

Cheesy

Then years later dad gets caught by mum sleeping under a tree after a few drinks with work colleagues only to drag him home and find you sifting through a bowl of buds with your banished next door neighboor and realising, finally- she's just an up-herself loser like everyone else... Wink

..and this is how every family wastes their lives looking down their noses at each other Roll Eyes

Let us all judge the other and conveniently forget the truth: yeh standover tactics rock.. cops got a difficult job and sometimes know the crim never had a chance as a kid... but they still gotta do these old school mum and dad bullshite bad cop friggin indirect passive aggressive stuff.

It's the only way to get on the property ladder after all!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #12 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Indeed.. police interrogation tactics are

first stand over the individual, easy to do when you already hold all the cards and they hold none - then impugn their integrity in answers and control the discussion by never permitting any question or comment from them to pass without attacking it - infer to the individual that they are somehow out of their tree and raise doubt about their personal sanity and where possible claim without any foundation they were either pissed or stoned or just going through a crazy

- then explain how reasonable it is that they did indeed murder Johannes Bloggden with a length of undersea pipe still resting on the ocean floor ten miles deep even though they were five hundred miles away at the time..... and have them sign a confession to that effect.

Then watch the same corrupt techniques employed by the prosecuting 'attorney'.. who will blithely bully the defendant on the stand while ensuring that any objection raised by the defence is viewed as being an attack on the integrity of the court and the prosecution....

Criminals all - thieves in Armani suits....

Sounds like mum and dad!

Cheesy

Then years later dad gets caught by mum sleeping under a tree after a few drinks with work colleagues only to drag him home and find you sifting through a bowl of buds with your banished next door neighboor and realising, finally- she's just an up-herself loser like everyone else... Wink

..and this is how every family wastes their lives looking down their noses at each other Roll Eyes

Let us all judge the other and conveniently forget the truth: yeh standover tactics rock.. cops got a difficult job and sometimes know the crim never had a chance as a kid... but they still gotta do these old school mum and dad bullshite bad cop friggin indirect passive aggressive stuff.

It's the only way to get on the property ladder after all!

That's why most real estate agents don't even bother- it's a nasty game all 'round and who needs it!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: False memory tactics and false confessions
Reply #14 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:20pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Indeed.. police interrogation tactics are

first stand over the individual, easy to do when you already hold all the cards and they hold none - then impugn their integrity in answers and control the discussion by never permitting any question or comment from them to pass without attacking it - infer to the individual that they are somehow out of their tree and raise doubt about their personal sanity and where possible claim without any foundation they were either pissed or stoned or just going through a crazy

- then explain how reasonable it is that they did indeed murder Johannes Bloggden with a length of undersea pipe still resting on the ocean floor ten miles deep even though they were five hundred miles away at the time..... and have them sign a confession to that effect.

Then watch the same corrupt techniques employed by the prosecuting 'attorney'.. who will blithely bully the defendant on the stand while ensuring that any objection raised by the defence is viewed as being an attack on the integrity of the court and the prosecution....

Criminals all - thieves in Armani suits....

Sounds like mum and dad!

Cheesy

Then years later dad gets caught by mum sleeping under a tree after a few drinks with work colleagues only to drag him home and find you sifting through a bowl of buds with your banished next door neighboor and realising, finally- she's just an up-herself loser like everyone else... Wink

..and this is how every family wastes their lives looking down their noses at each other Roll Eyes

Let us all judge the other and conveniently forget the truth: yeh standover tactics rock.. cops got a difficult job and sometimes know the crim never had a chance as a kid... but they still gotta do these old school mum and dad bullshite bad cop friggin indirect passive aggressive stuff.

It's the only way to get on the property ladder after all!

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- Ken Bruen - 'The Guards'.

Ken Bruen is an often hilarious writer of noir crime fiction set in Ireland, specifically Galway .... and has an amazing gift for citing the Irish way....

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