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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75091 Gender:	Re: The Infrastructure Prime Misister Reply #15 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:21pm The Infrastructure Prime Minister the closest Abbott will ever get to that title is if he builds a pool in his backyard.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: The Infrastructure Prime Misister Reply #16 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:22pm John Smith wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:21pm: The Infrastructure Prime Minister the closest Abbott will ever get to that title is if he builds a pool in his backyard. He'll stuff it up and make it a tennis court instead.
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Reply #17 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:26pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

The Infrastructure Prime Minister

the closest Abbott will ever get to that title is if he builds a pool in his backyard. Cheesy

He'll stuff it up and make it a tennis court instead.

all at taxpayer expenses of course Grin

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Reply #18 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

To answer your point.

Borrowing is akin to a tax increase as it is the tax-payer alone that pays the debt & interest off.

Selling an asset is akin to a tax cut as additional tax-payer funds are not required for the purchase, nor to pay ongoing interest bills and the impact of an asset sale is shared equally and not just on the taxpayer alone.

As the Coalition (compared to Labor) are the party more atuned to smaller Government and reduced taxation it is commonsensical for it to prefer asset sales to borrowings.

As the Coalition (compared to Labor) are the party more atuned to smaller Government and reduced taxation

So the rhetoric goes but unfortunately the facts fail to support the dogma:

Doctors tax, Increase the GST, create the GST, new petrol tax and then you have examples like the Howard government being one of the biggest governments and highest spending in our records with the Abbott mob following the same standard.

Maybe there was a time when this rhetoric was true however that time is long gone.

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Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Doctors tax, Increase the GST, create the GST, new petrol tax

What doctor's tax, what increase in the GST? What 'new' petrol tax?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

and then you have examples like the Howard government being one of the biggest governments and highest spending in our records with the Abbott mob following the same standard

That's a lefty porky pie.

The Howard Govt collected the most tax revenues because it presided over a low unemployment rate and high business profitablility economy and was smart enough to tax consumption. The Howard Govt also provided the biggest income tax decreases since federation.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: The Infrastructure Prime Misister Reply #20 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:02pm Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:59pm: The Howard Govt also provided the biggest income tax decreases since federation. Which has created todays "Budget Emergency" or more correctly "Revenue Emergency" How's that search going?
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Reply #21 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:08pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

The Howard Govt also provided the biggest income tax decreases since federation.

Which has created todays "Budget Emergency" or more correctly "Revenue Emergency"

Labor's pork barrelling created that.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

How's that search going?

What search? Huh

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85213 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The Infrastructure Prime Misister Reply #22 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm Increasing costs of living via privatisation and other rorts is also akin to a tax rise..... the end user is paying more for every service..... same argument as borrowing is a tax hike.....
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The Infrastructure Prime Misister Reply #23 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm Howard govt fanned a boom. Now households are highly indebted and we cannot afford to keep all the tax cuts and pork still in the Budget. The GST was just a wealth transfer from low incomes to high incomes—the consumption tax now is depressing spending—consumption! Smart
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Reply #24 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:15pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

Labor's pork barrelling created that.

Im pretty sure I know what you are referring to
Pity just about everyone else except LNP supporters disagree

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

What search?

For a piece of infrastructure that has been sold that has given sustained savings to the previous owners i.e us

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Reply #25 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:09pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

Howard govt fanned a boom. Now households are highly indebted and we cannot afford to keep all the tax cuts and pork still in the Budget.

The GST was just a wealth transfer from low incomes to high incomes—the consumption tax now is depressing spending—consumption! Smart Cheesy

Funny thing about a consumption tax like the GST is that it is a consumption tax.

What that in fact means is that when we have a downturn and consumption drops so does the income from the tax.

Funny that we have a tax that will deliver a windfall when we don't need it but leave us stranded when things get tough.

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Reply #26 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Doctors tax, Increase the GST, create the GST, new petrol tax

What doctor's tax, what increase in the GST? What 'new' petrol tax?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

and then you have examples like the Howard government being one of the biggest governments and highest spending in our records with the Abbott mob following the same standard

That's a lefty porky pie.

The Howard Govt collected the most tax revenues because it presided over a low unemployment rate and high business profitablility economy and was smart enough to tax consumption. The Howard Govt also provided the biggest income tax decreases since federation.

The Howard Govt also provided the biggest income tax decreases since federation.

The tax decreases that benefited the higher income earners while the low paid were allowed to fall further behind.

And they also implemented the biggest tax grab since federation - The GST.

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Reply #27 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:17pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

Labor's pork barrelling created that.

Im pretty sure I know what you are referring to
Pity just about everyone else except LNP supporters disagree

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

What search?

For a piece of infrastructure that has been sold that has given sustained savings to the previous owners i.e us

Better chance of finding one of these other mythical beasts.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The Infrastructure Prime Misister Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:42pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:15pm: For a piece of infrastructure that has been sold that has given sustained savings to the previous owners i.e us Pretty much all of them.
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Reply #29 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:08pm

Telstra? Looks like the Libs will run out the MTM nonsense, $40Bn worth, then FTTH will need to be run out immediately, another $40Bn. Love the low low low charges from Telstra too, love to see them but no sign so far.

Newman is in strife in Quinceland because the electorate wants him to stop with the privatisations already.

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