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Reply #105 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:23pm
 
If you were a criminal family would you name you child Speech ?
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Reply #106 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:36pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:38pm:


who believes pictures of gold worth billions sitting on WOODEN PALLETS.

the pic is a rather obvious fraud.


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Reply #107 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:40pm
 
Quantum wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:56pm:
Thanks for the posts Master Light....the great American gold hoist. They got rid of Germany's gold for them too.

We are one serious stock market fall away from a bank run and that's until the queue gets too long, after that it will be $20 a day per customer, like Cyprus.

Eyes wide open. Be prepared, there's a cosmic shift coming and you don't want to be the one to fall through the crack.


Apart from the obvious problem with the US getting rid of all of its gold, but being stupid enough to go to the trouble of making fake bars that are so light that they can be stored on wooden pallets. Ignoring that issue just for a moment, how much gold in dollars do you think should be in there?

Sure if it is all gone and fake it will be a scandal. It will be big news. There will be a massive investigation and heads will roll. But do you think there should be trillions of dollars worth of gold in there? Quadrillions even? How much in dollars do you think should be in there that the loss of it is going to cause the whole system to come down?


http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14996.html

Gld ETF Warning, Tungsten Filled Fake Gold Bars
Commodities / Gold & Silver 2009
Nov 12, 2009 - 12:22 PM GMT
By: Rob_Kirby


1] -   irregularities in the publication of the gold ETF - GLD’s bar list from Sept. 25 – Oct.14 where the length of the bar list went from 1,381 pages to under 200 pages and then back up to 800 or so pages.

2] -   reports of 400 oz. “good delivery” bricks of gold found gutted and filled with tungsten within the confines of LBMA approved vaults in Hong Kong.

Why Tungsten?

If anyone were contemplating creating “fake” gold bars, tungsten [at roughly $10 per pound] would be the metal of choice since it has the exact same density as gold making a fake bar salted with tungsten indistinguishable from a solid gold bar by simply weighing it.

Unfortunately, there are now more sordid details to report.

When the news of tungsten “salted” gold bars in Hong Kong first surfaced, many people

who I am acquainted with automatically assumed that these bars were manufactured in

China – because China is generally viewed as “the knock-off capital of the world”.

Here’s what I now understand really happened:

The amount of “salted tungsten” gold bars in question was allegedly between 5,600 and 5,700 – 400 oz – good delivery bars [roughly 60 metric tonnes].

This was apparently all highly orchestrated by an extremely well financed criminal operation.

Within mere hours of this scam being identified – Chinese officials had many of the perpetrators in custody.

And here’s what the Chinese allegedly uncovered:

Roughly 15 years ago – during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers] – between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA [more than 16 Thousand metric tonnes].  Subsequently, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and WERE shipped to Ft. Knox and remain there to this day.  I know folks who have copies of the original shipping docs with dates and exact weights of “tungsten” bars shipped to Ft. Knox.
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Reply #108 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:41pm
 
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/fort_knox_conundrum__208.html

The Fort Knox Conundrum: Chinese say they received bogus bars of gold traced to U.S.

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Could over 1 million bars of gold, much of which is still held in Fort Knox, Ky., be counterfeit? An October 2009 discovery that suggests this may be true has been suppressed by the mainstream media but has been circulating among the “big money” brokers and financial kingpins. It is just now being revealed to the public.

Gold is regularly exchanged between countries to pay debts and to settle the so-called balance of trade. It is often also used as a hedge against a falling currency. Gold is regularly traded and stored in vaults under the strict supervision of a special organization based in London, known as the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA). That’s why news of counterfeit gold bars was a surprise to many experts.

In October 2009, China reportedly received a large shipment of gold, containing some 6,000 bars, weighing 400 ounces each. When it was received, the Chinese government asked that tests be performed to guarantee the purity and weight of the gold bars. In this test, four small holes were drilled into the bars, and the metal was analyzed. Officials were shocked to find the bars were bogus. They contained cores of tungsten, with only an outer coating of real gold. What’s more, these gold bars, containing serial numbers for tracking, originated in the United States and had reportedly been stored in Fort Knox for years.

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According to gold expert Theo Gray, there are very few metals that are as dense as gold. With only two exceptions, they all cost as much or more than gold. The standard gold bar for bank-to-bank trade, known as a “London good delivery bar,” weighs 400 troy ounces (more than 33 pounds), yet is no bigger than a paperback novel. To put it in perspective, a bar of steel the same size weighs only 13.5 pounds.

This was the problem that the Ethiopians had in early 2008 when they tried to dump millions of dollars in fake gold into South African banks. What were supposed to be bars of solid gold turned out to be nothing more than gold-plated steel. The South Africans quickly figured this out and sent the shipment back—apparently discovering the hoax with only minimal investigation.

The first exception to the weight of gold is depleted uranium (DU). This material is dirt cheap if you’re a government, but is hard for individuals to get. It’s also radioactive, which makes the handling of it impractical.

Interestingly enough, before DU was widely used as a U.S. weapons component to make shells more able to penetrate hardened targets, tungsten was used for that purpose.

But tungsten is vastly cheaper than gold—maybe $30 dollars a pound, compared to $1,200 an ounce for gold right now. It has exactly the same density as gold, to three decimal places. Therefore, it has to be drilled to detect the fraud. The only differences are that it’s the wrong color, and that it’s much harder than gold. Pure gold is soft and can be dented with a fingernail.

At first, many gold experts speculated that the fake gold must have originated in China, which is considered the world’s best knock-off producers. However, the Chinese government investigated and issued a statement pointing a finger squarely at the United States.

The Chinese claim that in 1995—during the Clinton administration (Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers)—between 1.3 million and 1.5 million 400-ounce tungsten blanks were manufactured by a sophisticated refiner in the United States, amounting to more than 16,000 metric tons. Some 640,000 of these tungsten blanks were then gold plated and shipped to Fort Knox, according to the Chinese, where they are said to remain to this day. The Chinese contend that the remaining collection of these 400-ounce fakes was eventually gold-plated and then “sold” into international markets.

The global market is literally “stuffed full of 400 ounce salted bars,” said one unnamed expert. “It’s enough to destroy the world markets.”

http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/fake-gold-in-manhattan/3680

Fake Gold in Manhattan
Gold-Coated Tungsten Bars Still Showing Up

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Reply #109 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:44pm
 
well it seems many are clueless ...

no surprises there amongst the usual suspects

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/03.10/phonygold.html

Germany Latest Victim of Phony Gold Bar Scam
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Amid international accusations that U.S. officials in the Clinton administration replaced gold in Fort Knox with phony, mostly tungsten bars that were later shipped to China and other places yet unknown, a German refinery has now discovered that it has received a bogus “gold” bar as well.

The video proof was shown on the German television station ProSieben that ran the news story covering W.C. Heraeus in Hanau, Germany, the world’s largest privately owned refinery.

In the story, Wilfried Horner, head of the gold foundry, shows a 500-gram bar (16.0755 troy ounces) received from an unidentified bank. The bar had the right physical dimensions to be an authentic gold bar, but one of the Heraeus employees suspected something.

After the bar was cut in half, the TV audience could plainly see that the dark insides were tungsten, with only a coating of gold on the outside.

While the story never aired on American TV, it is available on the Internet.

Last fall, Rob Kirby of Kirby Analytics in Toronto reported that China’s central bank had discovered nearly 6,000 400-ounce gold-plated tungsten bars among those it had recently received from bonded warehouses.

It was later learned that at least four counterfeit bars at other locations were found and that all had come from sources within the United States, including Fort Knox, according to the Chinese investigators.

As suspicions grow about counterfeit bars among those held in bonded warehouses for delivery against either COMEX or London Bullion Market Association contracts or shares of exchange-traded funds, investors could panic. It is believed this could be the reason for the blackout on news coverage in the United States on this story except for AFP.

Several metals have similar densities to gold. However, using these metals to produce fake gold is unprofitable due to their high cost. There are two metals that are suitable, from both a density and economic perspective, for manufacturing fake gold - uranium and tungsten.

These metals aren’t without their negatives. Uranium can be radioactive. Tungsten is extremely brittle - the exact opposite of gold. Additionally, tungsten has the highest known melting point of any non-alloyed metal at 3,422 degrees Celsius (6,192 F),making it difficult to work with. However, it appears that at least one high-temperature furnace is producing gilded tungsten products.

Gilded steel is a unconvincing form of fake gold. A steel bar identical in size to the standard 400-troy ounce gold bars commonly used in bank-to-bank trades would weigh only 162.5 troy ounces (about 60 percent lighter) and would be easily identifiable as counterfeit.

Gold’s unmistakable density, along with its scarcity, durability, and other qualities, made it attractive to be used as money for our nation’s founders, and its theft through Federal Reserve fakery over the past century has provoked these current problems of “banker control” via paper notes and credit over what was designed to be the actual money.

Thus far, the commodity exchanges have disclaimed any responsibility for the purity of the gold bars they are delivering against contracts. However, as stories of gold-plated tungsten bars in bonded warehouses continue to appear, brokers say we can expect the commodity exchanges to be forced - not legally, but to meet competition - to modify their business practices to provide a guaranty of purity for any bars they deliver.
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Reply #110 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:47pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:51pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 5:38pm:


who believes pictures of gold worth billions sitting on WOODEN PALLETS.

the pic is a rather obvious fraud.


In the movies they always put the gold behind bars so that it can not escape.
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Reply #111 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:55pm
 
stryder wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:59pm:
cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
stryder wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
stryder wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:00pm:
I want to say, Even thoroughly i disagree with your opinion enitirely to the core, but it feels in invokes cowradice, that we should give up on freedom of sppeech, even if we make a mistake to offend, BUT DOES NOT DESERVE DEATH AND KNEELING IN FRONT OF THE SIGHT OF AK 47s



huhummmmmmmmm who said IT DESERVED DEATH. to offend.... I mean...

what I have asked all along is

was printing  the cartoon worth it??

if we could go back in time .. would you urge Charlie Hebdo to keep printing the cartoon..

knowing who would lose their lives....

is that cartoon really that important....and a threat to your FOS?.

so far I havent seen any more demand to our FOS from the boys....since they did what they said they would do...

kill the people printing the cartoons.


This is just more than a cartoon.

You see we see here that there is a right among people to tackle the question of religion and its relevance, and ISLAM IS PROVING ITSELF A HARD NUT.




a right Roll Eyes Roll Eyes......ok.. I will buy it.. so why havent I got the right to call fd  the M word???

if I can be rude and obnoxious to a muslim.. why not fd?........and you for that matter..what is wrong with the M word?


I dont see your point here on this comparison between muslims and free diver ??


freediver has his own version of FREEDOM OF SPEECH have you tried calling or anyone else the M word??..

it wont happen up comes nice person instead.. its his version of FREE SPEECH..

its the same if you walked into a class room and threated the teacher you will see them in court if they dare send homework home again....you are not allowed to threaten even if it is FREEDOM OF SPEECH..



All im saying is there are people out there who use there freedom of speech and expression to offend christians, AND YOU AND OTHERS HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BEFORE, RIGHT ???. and thats being going on for a long, long time and it was never made a fuss about it, but a few ???? muslims become offended by french mohamend cartoons and now your an advocate for there hurt feelings. ???



it has been going on for a LONG time...

and guess what...

this is the first time anyone has threatened to KILL over it?...

I am not advocating anything...why is that so hard....

I am just saying.. dont print the offending cartoons....because to day in 2015 we are dealing with certain  people who IF THEY SAY THEY WILL KILL YOU>>> THEN THEY WILL..

c harlie said up you terrorists.. see if I care if you kill me and my staff,......

and you are saying he did the right thing... FOR FOS??..

I dont agree .. I prefer life rather than death..

all I am advocating for is no one dying for a cartoon..

if you are going to die by AK47 at least let it be worth while and at the very least arm your staff so they have an equal chance.....

is that really that hard to comprehend..

Christians and Jews and Catholics to my knowledge have never threatened to KILL over the c artoons.. although Pope Frances has said it isnt nice to mock peoples beliefs....its rather cowardly and spiteful I find..

but some find it amusing.....
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Reply #112 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 9:58pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
stryder wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
stryder wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 7:00pm:
I want to say, Even thoroughly i disagree with your opinion enitirely to the core, but it feels in invokes cowradice, that we should give up on freedom of sppeech, even if we make a mistake to offend, BUT DOES NOT DESERVE DEATH AND KNEELING IN FRONT OF THE SIGHT OF AK 47s



huhummmmmmmmm who said IT DESERVED DEATH. to offend.... I mean...

what I have asked all along is

was printing  the cartoon worth it??

if we could go back in time .. would you urge Charlie Hebdo to keep printing the cartoon..

knowing who would lose their lives....

is that cartoon really that important....and a threat to your FOS?.

so far I havent seen any more demand to our FOS from the boys....since they did what they said they would do...

kill the people printing the cartoons.


This is just more than a cartoon.

You see we see here that there is a right among people to tackle the question of religion and its relevance, and ISLAM IS PROVING ITSELF A HARD NUT.




a right Roll Eyes Roll Eyes......ok.. I will buy it.. so why havent I got the right to call fd  the M word???

if I can be rude and obnoxious to a muslim.. why not fd?........and you for that matter..what is wrong with the M word?


Because you are as thick as a brick and have no clue and continue to make a fool of yourself?



oh look its  my very own pet stalker... with all her witty remarks...you must have used them all by now surely.??..even a wharfie like yourself must run out of cute comments after a while..
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Reply #113 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:00pm
 
I did tell nef where I was hiding... I didnt expect her to find the way without the map....

so sorry to all those who are wondering what the hell she is all about...shes an escapee from PA...and there isnt anyone to abuse over there anymore so shes invited herself here.. and its my turn for the abuse..
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Reply #114 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:08pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:00pm:
I did tell nef where I was hiding... I didnt expect her to find the way without the map....

so sorry to all those who are wondering what the hell she is all about...shes an escapee from PA...and there isnt anyone to abuse over there anymore so shes invited herself here.. and its my turn for the abuse..


many blessings

you are very popular ..

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Reply #115 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:12pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 6:53am:
as per instructions from FD himself..

how far will you go... to keep your FREEDOM OF SPEECH..you think you have?..

would you KILL for it.. LIKE FD WOULD...

would you look down the barrel of a AK.47 like FD would???

would you keep drawing ugly cartoons at someone elses expense like FD would?..

for his version of FREEDOM OF SPEECH I will draw until DEATH.... Roll Eyes


can you walk up and down with sign claiming you will  kill the PM in this country???..

can you dump a truck load of manure on the Parliamentary steps...

all expression of FREE SPEECH.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




If I so freely choose, an emphatic
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The inalienable Right to the Freedom of Speech, next to/along side of the absolute Right to Self-Defense are the most fundamental of Freedoms we as human beings possess, which are not granted to us by any government, but rather bestowed upon us by our Creator.

I'd be willing to give my life freely in order protect mine, as well as defending yours.

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Reply #116 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm
 
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if you are going to die by AK47 at least let it be worth while and at the very least arm your staff so they have an equal chance.....

is that really that hard to comprehend..


Too right!! Give us our guns back, we need to arm ourselves against fanatical invaders.
The cops are arming themselves to the hilt because they're scared and ordinary citizens are left defenseless.

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Reply #117 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:32pm
 
Amadd wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
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if you are going to die by AK47 at least let it be worth while and at the very least arm your staff so they have an equal chance.....

is that really that hard to comprehend..


Too right!! Give us our guns back, we need to arm ourselves against fanatical invaders.
The cops are arming themselves to the hilt because they're scared and ordinary citizens are left defenseless.



They have an intense cocoon of hate and dogma to protect them against the fictional enemy.
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Reply #118 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:37pm
 
Amadd wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
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if you are going to die by AK47 at least let it be worth while and at the very least arm your staff so they have an equal chance.....

is that really that hard to comprehend..


Too right!! Give us our guns back, we need to arm ourselves against fanatical invaders.
The cops are arming themselves to the hilt because they're scared and ordinary citizens are left defenseless.



As well as against a Tyrannical Government.


The cops aren't arming themselves, we are allowing them to arm with our approval, as long as it's all in our behalf, & to our benefit, but in order to keep them in check we to must be armed with the same firepower they possess.
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Reply #119 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:41pm
 
Dr. Caligari wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:32pm:
Amadd wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
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if you are going to die by AK47 at least let it be worth while and at the very least arm your staff so they have an equal chance.....

is that really that hard to comprehend..


Too right!! Give us our guns back, we need to arm ourselves against fanatical invaders.
The cops are arming themselves to the hilt because they're scared and ordinary citizens are left defenseless.



They have an intense cocoon of hate and dogma to protect them against the fictional enemy.


Yep. Funny that ain't it? The public is now stripped of firearms whilst the authorities will be gun-toting dictators forevermore..or until the next revolution.
History shows that the police are in no more danger than the public from terrorists.
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