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Reply #15 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:06am
 
Well old girl, I don't give a stuff what "we" want.

When were "we" appointed 'Commander In Chief"?
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Reply #16 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:26am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:04am:
cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:01am:
Resolute wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 7:57am:
And yet again the appeasers are happy to invoke their right to freedom of speech, and of course their support for murders, whilst remaining comfortable and safe in their own opinionated little world.



and we dont want socks on this thread if you dont mind...its called I draw a line FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

what support are your referring to in particular???>..

not the bit where we prefer 17 people hadnt been sacrificed for a cartoon.....?


No cods, not 'sacrificed for a cartoon'...MURDERED because of a cartoon.




does it make any difference.. they are dead....because of a cartoon...

the owner did have a choice..when someone kills another person it is usually murder....

if someone is given a choice..regarding living or dying..

then its sacrifice...the owner sacrificed his staff....to the  would be murderers...
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Reply #17 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:26am
 
Resolute wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:06am:
Well old girl, I don't give a stuff what "we" want.

When were "we" appointed 'Commander In Chief"?



ask fd he makes the rules..
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Reply #18 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:07am
 
Not sure what this FREEDOM of speech is that this topic cover. Or freedom of expression.
The right to free speech was lost years ago and I cannot see any return to what we lost anytime soon.
However n our society there are some who are allowed more freedom of speech and expression that others.

If a person is to the far right and wants to protest about immigration being to lax etc, they want a peaceful protest to have their voices heard, Stiff, it won't happen in our free country.
If on the other hand you belong to the far left, are muslim, or some other green cause or just weird, you are allowed a great deal more tolerance and get less hassle than others.
Unions can pretty well close down the city, they are united, crap. 

What is disappointing is even telling a joke that offends someone is no longer allowed, no more Irish jokes, sad.
No more great cartoons no more anything, and it's going to get worse before it might get better.  Angry
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Reply #19 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:24am
 
What some of you dimwits don't seem to understand is that events have made the reprints of these cartoons absolutely inevitable.  There is no choice in the matter.  The terrorist attack has made the issue of freedom of speech the singular and paramount one.  And there was only one option and ever only one.

PUSH BACK.  PRINT THE CARTOONS.  yes, they are offensive and probably unnecessary.  But freedom of speech doesn't only protect nice speech.  These truly dimwitted terrorists attacked something we simply cannot ignore and cannot acquiesce to - our right to speak.

If we went back in our holes and decided not to offend them then we automatically lose the entire war, not just a battle.  Islamic Terrorism isn't about cartoons. It is about our entire way of life and the intrinsic freedoms we have and the right to express them. We either defend our way of life or not.  Occasionally a lightening rod for issues like this appear and this terrorist attack is such a one.

If I could, I would buy a copy of this magazine, not because I particularly want to but to make a statement to terrorists that the more they seek to attack our way of life the more we will defend it.

It is one of those rare moments in time where we have the power to tell the Islamic world that we will not be told what we can and cannot do.

You cods, do not see it as you cower at home.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:26am
 
cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:26am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:04am:
cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:01am:
[quote author=Resolute link=1421614428/12#12 date=1421618269]And yet again the appeasers are happy to invoke their right to freedom of speech, and of course their support for murders, whilst remaining comfortable and safe in their own opinionated little world.



and we dont want socks on this thread if you dont mind...its called I draw a line FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

what support are your referring to in particular???>..

not the bit where we prefer 17 people hadnt been sacrificed for a cartoon.....?


No cods, not 'sacrificed for a cartoon'...MURDERED because of a cartoon.




does it make any difference.. they are dead....because of a cartoon...

the owner did have a choice..when someone kills another person it is usually murder....

if someone is given a choice..regarding living or dying..

then its sacrifice...the owner sacrificed his staff....to the  would be murderers...[/quote]

now you have gone from being silly to quite stupid.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #21 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:43am
 
As someone else wrote above, fight back. That is easier said than done, if we fight back and print or draw racist or anti religious depictions, you go directly to jail, do not pass go. The MEDIA will also not report that a person is advocating for freedom of speech and if (we) cant tell our side of the story or argument then no one will hear::::
We will rot in jail, incommunicado, no PRESS, in a dark place.
So, it is a lost cause because without media coverage any event (did not happen).
NOTE the media is all powerful, groups who the media agree with, or sympathise with get heaps of free publicity.
IF a cause, say more freedom to own firearms by the public, this would be a lost cause, BECAUSE the media will give a slanted version, or no coverage.
THIS fight for freedom of speech should have been fought when the changes to our laws was being debated. The Liberal government recently was again defeated in making amendments to the laws of speech, LOST, why? Greens and Labour opposed the sections in question.
Jumping up and down and getting angry changes nothing, being in jail for some cartoon drawn or slur to some religious of ethnic group, will not change the law, a person needs to be free to make changes, and needs  the total support of the government of the day and the MEDIA.  Huh
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Reply #22 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:44am
 
Cods is a spineless coward. The reason she is a coward is because she has made it very clear that making fun of Christians/buhudist/Hindus/etc is fair game because they won't shoot you. Muslims will shoot you, so it is best not to "kick the beehive".

If she was making an argument that these kind of cartoons are hate speach and should not be permitted to be made about anyone, that in itself would raise an interesting debate about freedom of speech, but at least it would not be from being a complete wimp.

So this issue isn't really about freedom of speech. It is about how far we as a society are willing to go to appease one particular fanatical religion. In cods view, you can kick the shlt out of everyone else because they won't kill you for it, but because Muslims are dangerous don't "kick the beehive". Gutless!
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Reply #23 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:38am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:24am:
What some of you dimwits don't seem to understand is that events have made the reprints of these cartoons absolutely inevitable.  There is no choice in the matter.  The terrorist attack has made the issue of freedom of speech the singular and paramount one.  And there was only one option and ever only one.

PUSH BACK.  PRINT THE CARTOONS.  yes, they are offensive and probably unnecessary.  But freedom of speech doesn't only protect nice speech.  These truly dimwitted terrorists attacked something we simply cannot ignore and cannot acquiesce to - our right to speak.

If we went back in our holes and decided not to offend them then we automatically lose the entire war, not just a battle.  Islamic Terrorism isn't about cartoons. It is about our entire way of life and the intrinsic freedoms we have and the right to express them. We either defend our way of life or not.  Occasionally a lightening rod for issues like this appear and this terrorist attack is such a one.

If I could, I would buy a copy of this magazine, not because I particularly want to but to make a statement to terrorists that the more they seek to attack our way of life the more we will defend it.

It is one of those rare moments in time where we have the power to tell the Islamic world that we will not be told what we can and cannot do.

You cods, do not see it as you cower at home.



I am abit sick of you.. calling me names when you are a well known Paedo supporter... Angry Angry

look down on me for thinking it is totally stupid to print a cartoon that will end up KILLING people....

do you think the violence IS OVER b ecause you stand on your toilet and tell them you will stand up for FREEDOM OF CARTOON DRAWING.???

so the good people of France and Belgium now cowering in their homes wondering whos next whilst the armed forces fill the streets is nothing to worry about....we bwave people in Australia are pointing ugly fingers at each other.....we are so bwave...anyone who has a difference of opinion.. we can abuse as much as we like...

a  RARE moment in time...what a joke you are....

lets see you call these extremists DIMWITTED to their faces we have a ffew in this country you wont have far to look for them.. lets see bwave longy who wouldnt dream of sitting on his couch....and telling a widow what he thinks of her.. but not telling murdering fanatics to their faces what he thinks of them

come on paedo supporter... lets see you get off your couch and do what you claim you would do.......tell em to suck it up......come on I cant wait to see this..get that camera out..lets film it... if you live you could actually make some money out of it.. Grin Grin
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Reply #24 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:43am
 
Quantum wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:44am:
Cods is a spineless coward. The reason she is a coward is because she has made it very clear that making fun of Christians/buhudist/Hindus/etc is fair game because they won't shoot you. Muslims will shoot you, so it is best not to "kick the beehive".

If she was making an argument that these kind of cartoons are hate speach and should not be permitted to be made about anyone, that in itself would raise an interesting debate about freedom of speech, but at least it would not be from being a complete wimp.

So this issue isn't really about freedom of speech. It is about how far we as a society are willing to go to appease one particular fanatical religion. In cods view, you can kick the shlt out of everyone else because they won't kill you for it, but because Muslims are dangerous don't "kick the beehive". Gutless! 



oops how about joining longy    and you bwave boys can tell them to their face what you think of them and what you will do for FREEDOM OF SPEECH... Grin..

I dont mind you being bwave I dont really but when

all  of the huffing and puffing is done behind a computer.

I kind i think what bloody wankers... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

yep abuse cods.... easy peasy.......

go and kick the bee hive.. stupid..

come on longy has his mobile ready...I want to see this.. and I sure hope pansi does as well..

I will come back and see how its going and when you plan to put it on ozpol...

I cant wait.. I really cant..I am so excited...


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Reply #25 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:44am
 
Practise what you preach Cods.
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Reply #26 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:49am
 
nasus wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Not sure what this FREEDOM of speech is that this topic cover. Or freedom of expression.
The right to free speech was lost years ago



SHHHHH DONT TELL FD OR GIZMO OR QUANTUM OR LONGWEEKEND... THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR IT AND WILL RISK THEIR LIVES FOR IT..SHHHH


and I cannot see any return to what we lost anytime soon.
However n our society there are some who are allowed more freedom of speech and expression that others.

If a person is to the far right and wants to protest about immigration being to lax etc, they want a peaceful protest to have their voices heard, Stiff, it won't happen in our free country.
If on the other hand you belong to the far left, are muslim, or some other green cause or just weird, you are allowed a great deal more tolerance and get less hassle than others.
Unions can pretty well close down the city, they are united, crap. 

What is disappointing is even telling a joke that offends someone is no longer allowed, no more Irish jokes, sad.
No more great cartoons no more anything, and it's going to get worse before it might get better.  Angry



  MATE  THE IRISH DONT THREATEN TO
KILL
OVER THE JOKES.

SO I AM SURE YOU WILL FIND AMUSEMENT AT SOMEONE ELSES EXPENSE IS STILL AVAILABLE....

I SUGGEST YOU GO AND DIGEST WHAT THE TOPIC IS ABOUT....

IT IS ABOUT INSULTING SOMEONES BELIEFS.....ITS ABOUT BEING THREATENED WITH DEATH..

NOT HARD TO FOLLOW..THERE IS SO FAR ONLY ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT THREATEN DEATH OVER THIS FORM OF DISRESPECT.....

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Reply #27 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:51am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:44am:
Practise what you preach Cods.



ok... what is that.. have I threatened you with death or called you names??>.......what are you saying you really need to spell it out...

btw I am not preaching anything....at least I didnt think I was.. so please explain...oh bwave one.
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Reply #28 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:55am
 
No need to get rattled & start shouting  Roll Eyes

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MATE  THE IRISH DONT THREATEN TO KILL OVER THE JOKES.


That's the whole point Cods .... no one else does except the mad mussos.....

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go and kick the bee hive.. stupid..


The hives of angry killer bees should be eradicated for the sake of the whole honey bee industry.  Wink

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Reply #29 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 11:09am
 
cods wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:43am:
Quantum wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 9:44am:
Cods is a spineless coward. The reason she is a coward is because she has made it very clear that making fun of Christians/buhudist/Hindus/etc is fair game because they won't shoot you. Muslims will shoot you, so it is best not to "kick the beehive".

If she was making an argument that these kind of cartoons are hate speach and should not be permitted to be made about anyone, that in itself would raise an interesting debate about freedom of speech, but at least it would not be from being a complete wimp.

So this issue isn't really about freedom of speech. It is about how far we as a society are willing to go to appease one particular fanatical religion. In cods view, you can kick the shlt out of everyone else because they won't kill you for it, but because Muslims are dangerous don't "kick the beehive". Gutless! 



oops how about joining longy    and you bwave boys can tell them to their face what you think of them and what you will do for FREEDOM OF SPEECH... Grin..

I dont mind you being bwave I dont really but when

all  of the huffing and puffing is done behind a computer.

I kind i think what bloody wankers... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

yep abuse cods.... easy peasy.......

go and kick the bee hive.. stupid..

come on longy has his mobile ready...I want to see this.. and I sure hope pansi does as well..

I will come back and see how its going and when you plan to put it on ozpol...

I cant wait.. I really cant..I am so excited...




Still not getting it are you.

If (I know, I know, you don't do hypotheticals. But just try and stick with this for a second), if, you had argued that this kind of cartoon was not freedom of speech because it is an attack on others, you could have an argument and not be a coward. But the moment you said that these cartoons/attacks on Christians/Buddhist/Hindus/ or any other group or party was ok because they won't shoot you, but it was wrong to do it to Muslims because they will, you showed that you are a gutless wonder.

You have not argued that these kind of cartoons should not be made at all (I find them disgusting and wouldn't ever consider buying one, so it is not as if I'm protecting the papar), but you have made it clear that you are ok with these magazines being made as long as it doesn't upset Muslims because they are violent. That is cowardly! That is saying that it is ok to attack those who won't defend themselves, but be nice to those who will. Complete yellow gutlessbuggeringwonder type cowardly. 
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