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Reply #255 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 11:28am
 
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:40am:
its interesting isnt it.?..
had they not drawn the ugly cartoon they would still be alive..yet somehow this isnt about what they drew???. Roll Eyes
I just hope those good folks who worked at charlie realize  they died for the worlds principle   thats all
I cant get it out of my head
what must their last thoughts have been as they saw these masked madmen rush in.. not even a chance to say i love you to their loved ones...their last moments looking into the eyes of pure HATRED......
but of course they died for principles...
well done you guys the ultimate sacrifice...
.I am not sure it was worth it.. and or how our FoS has changed since your life was taken....
but I am sure it will become clear soon..



I do not like people bullying members by word on posts in forums. WE can have our say, without vitriol or the constant tagging. We are all entitled to an opinion, and use words to express our thinking. Don't like labels, and I guess its a two way street, one starts the other does not know when to stop. Everyone wants the last word, the last sting. Guess in a very small way that is Freedom of Speech. To express oneself in words that are meant to offend others is what I object to. Yea, so what, just putting it out there.

Now, reading this post "principal" I focus on that because as well as freedom, it is also about principal, what we believe in, whether others understand or even believe in our principal is not the point. Good people on principal will do many thing, and if need be die for that principal, that line drawn in the sand over which others may not cross. It is a symbolic line, a word, deed, belief, but a line never the less.
Since the dawn of time men and women have died for principals, freedom, the right to speak and be heard. To not be  Subjugated to follow their God or belief. There are some who cannot and never will understand why some are willing to die for a belief, a principal. This is what makes us different. There are many who will watch as another is set upon by many, they do nothing out of fear that they may then also be attacked. I have a problem with this, but then I am not of that mindset.
WE, and being an Australian I will not speak of others, we have since the Boar war sent men and women into conflict areas, for reasons that some cannot and will not ever understand. Some people cannot understand why another will take up arms to defend a small piece of dirt, here or in other places.
During the Vietnam war it was impossible to convince on side that we needed to be there, they did not understand, communism was not a word they understood. 
Supporting allies was not a word they understood. All the way with LBJ was something they did not understand.
However the men and women who went, so to pay an ultimate sacrifice went mainly because that was their job. "theirs was not to reason why, theirs was but to do or die". Tennyson. That is to simplistic, but they went because their country asked them to, some mothers and fathers never understood, they also marched in anti demonstrations. So, the argument rages, why does one person NOT understand what that principal to proceed on a certain cause can lead to, why do they continue down a path that can at times ask for that ultimate sacrifice. Possibly because we all think differently. Sons die, are wounded or maimed, fathers, uncles and brothers and sisters never return, MOTHERS ask why?
I have no answer, I'm not certain anyone else does either, for if we did, then the word PRINCIPAL would be understood and no questions asked, but I fear words to some are just words, they need to seek more and exact retribution.
Possibly the west, that's us, are more understanding of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, those in other lands of other faiths may not be so understanding and hence they se us as infidels and feel the need to follow what course that is way beyond our understanding.
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"I may not believe in what you say, however I will defend unto death your right to say it". Attributed to Voltaire. Freedom of speech a right we must regain.
 
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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #256 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 11:40am
 
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:49am:
Panther wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:20am:
cods doesn't get 'principles'.  this entire debate is about a PRINCIPLE, not a cartoon.  She doesnt get 'scale of offence' when discussing child crimes either.


Well, my sun doesn't rise or set depending on how her feeble feminine mind wants to massage it.

She's simply a woman, & credit is exacted where credit is due.




really hey  you are agreeing with a  paedo lover you know........ you and longy putting all your FoS  to good use..... I think its wonderful

when you guys going to march for YOUR principles then..?
will you be wearing one of longies child abusers have rights as well t/shirts????>.



he also thinks  child porn is ok   .. its his second FoS... he thinks it isnt bad if its just on computers....

hes an authority on paedos...

and hates anyone who makes a stand against child abuse....

its his principles you see.

its a paedos right to do as he does..... Angry Angry..

so put me down all you like.. but I dont care for your choice of friends..




you really deserve a ban you drongo. Calling people paedo supporters deserves both a ban and in real life, a punch in the face. Don't you realise how pitiful you sound calling people paedos because they don't agree with your cowardly, disgraceful backdowns?
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #257 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 12:12pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 11:40am:
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:49am:
Panther wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:20am:
cods doesn't get 'principles'.  this entire debate is about a PRINCIPLE, not a cartoon.  She doesnt get 'scale of offence' when discussing child crimes either.


Well, my sun doesn't rise or set depending on how her feeble feminine mind wants to massage it.

She's simply a woman, & credit is exacted where credit is due.




really hey  you are agreeing with a  paedo lover you know........ you and longy putting all your FoS  to good use..... I think its wonderful

when you guys going to march for YOUR principles then..?
will you be wearing one of longies child abusers have rights as well t/shirts????>.



he also thinks  child porn is ok   .. its his second FoS... he thinks it isnt bad if its just on computers....

hes an authority on paedos...

and hates anyone who makes a stand against child abuse....

its his principles you see.

its a paedos right to do as he does..... Angry Angry..

so put me down all you like.. but I dont care for your choice of friends..




you really deserve a ban you drongo. Calling people paedo supporters deserves both a ban and in real life, a punch in the face. Don't you realise how pitiful you sound calling people paedos because they don't agree with your cowardly, disgraceful backdowns?


I'm amazed at how cods has gone from being just the confused old lady to one of the most aggressively abusive members on this forum in just a week. She always had a bit of irrational man hatred, but now she is just straight out insane.
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Reply #258 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 12:41pm
 
Quantum wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 12:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 11:40am:
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:49am:
Panther wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:20am:
cods doesn't get 'principles'.  this entire debate is about a PRINCIPLE, not a cartoon.  She doesnt get 'scale of offence' when discussing child crimes either.


Well, my sun doesn't rise or set depending on how her feeble feminine mind wants to massage it.

She's simply a woman, & credit is exacted where credit is due.




really hey  you are agreeing with a  paedo lover you know........ you and longy putting all your FoS  to good use..... I think its wonderful

when you guys going to march for YOUR principles then..?
will you be wearing one of longies child abusers have rights as well t/shirts????>.



he also thinks  child porn is ok   .. its his second FoS... he thinks it isnt bad if its just on computers....

hes an authority on paedos...

and hates anyone who makes a stand against child abuse....

its his principles you see.

its a paedos right to do as he does..... Angry Angry..

so put me down all you like.. but I dont care for your choice of friends..




you really deserve a ban you drongo. Calling people paedo supporters deserves both a ban and in real life, a punch in the face. Don't you realise how pitiful you sound calling people paedos because they don't agree with your cowardly, disgraceful backdowns?


I'm amazed at how cods has gone from being just the confused old lady to one of the most aggressively abusive members on this forum in just a week. She always had a bit of irrational man hatred, but now she is just straight out insane.


she has certainly lost it bigtime.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #259 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 1:08pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:53am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:43am:
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 9:21am:
Panther wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 9:00am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 7:16am:
This is a matter of principle.  People were MURDERED in the name of some religion that doesn't like comics and so we are duty-bound to step up and defend a freedom of speech that we don't really approve of or care about.  Do you get that?  We are not defending a comic but a principle.

At some point in time we all have to stand up for things that are important.  The particular circumstance is immaterial, but the principle is not.


+1



As I've always said, I may vehemently disagree with what you've said or done, & argued to all ends of this earth, but I will defend your right to say or do what you do (Freedom of Speech/Expression) with my last drop of blood, with my very life, so help me God.

I've stood side by side with many brave men who have done exactly that. 

They laid down their lives so we can exercise our freedom to say what we say, & do what we do.

To that I am eternally grateful.

May they rest in peace.




so you know people who died for a cartoon....WOW..

I would think those who died in the real trenches are spinning in their graves..

btw I still cant say the M word..have you tried your FoS on these boardslately?? have you tried to use the S word...

freedom to say and do what we do...REALLY! Smiley


they did not die for a cartoon.

they were murdered by muslims



sprint your HATRED is worse than any terrorists.. I am disgusted by it

your hatred blinds you to everything.....

more so because you cannot see it...



thanks cods. Love you too
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Reply #260 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 1:30pm
 
threads got worse.  i didnt think this would be possible Cheesy
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Reply #261 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 1:34pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 10:53am:
sprint your HATRED is worse than any terrorists.. I am disgusted by it

your hatred blinds you to everything.....

more so because you cannot see it...



Sprint advocates terrorism.

"Raze every Mosque to the ground"

Yet, for some reason, he thinks he's better than other terrorists.


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Reply #262 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:05pm
 
Jesus! Settle down cods!!!

Breath slowly in slowly out!
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Reply #263 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:20pm
 
** chews popcorn, pops a new beer..... sits back and enjoys the fracas....**
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Reply #265 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:42pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 9:15am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 7:49am:
yet further

I do not judge those whom judge

this is merely observed

with so very much love

namaste

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good stuff Light.

sometimes you post waffle (well actually a lot of the time you do), but sometimes you hit the nail on the head. and this is one of those times.

cods is being a bit judgemental about the fact that others are judging her.

you have nailed it.

now this may just be a case of

"if the light posts SO MUCH STUFF, he may eventually post something inciteful"

or it may just be that you really are inciteful.

either way , be at peace.


many blessings aqua and yes

beloved being the light transmits much information

it is so , and so be it

does this comfort thee ?

im interested

namaste

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Reply #266 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 3:20pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:05pm:
Jesus! Settle down cods!!!

Breath slowly in slowly out!


be careful!  she'll call you a Paedo soon.
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Reply #267 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 3:26pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 3:20pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:05pm:
Jesus! Settle down cods!!!

Breath slowly in slowly out!


be careful!  she'll call you a Paedo soon.


She called Longweekend58 out?
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Reply #268 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 3:32pm
 
Dr. Caligari wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 3:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 3:20pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 2:05pm:
Jesus! Settle down cods!!!

Breath slowly in slowly out!


be careful!  she'll call you a Paedo soon.


She called Longweekend58 out?



Are you stirring again, feeling lonely.
I feel this is there thread and they do not wish any intruders, they want this debate, no it cannot be a debate, to much slinging, name calling, swearing, AND no progress or possible outcome for any one. Lots of anger here and someone should walk away. Or no more chocolate cookies.
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Reply #269 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 3:35pm
 
The bully boys are out in force today!
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