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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #285 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:13pm

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

as per instructions from FD himself..

how far will you go... to keep your FREEDOM OF SPEECH..you think you have?..

would you KILL for it.. LIKE FD WOULD...

would you look down the barrel of a AK.47 like FD would???

would you keep drawing ugly cartoons at someone elses expense like FD would?..

for his version of FREEDOM OF SPEECH I will draw until DEATH.... Roll Eyes

can you walk up and down with sign claiming you will kill the PM in this country???..

can you dump a truck load of manure on the Parliamentary steps...

all expression of FREE SPEECH.. Roll Eyes

Ugly cartoons of Mo are a blast!!! Personally I could never imagine killing a person over a cartoon and anybody who thinks that's justified is seriously sick in the head. Tongue

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #286 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:13pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:13pm:

Cods, let me ask you a question in terms you should understand...

Would you stay with an abusive cruel hubby if he threatened your life if you left? Sure you can take out an AVO but they don't stop murder, people ignore them, it happens far too often. So would you, for your safety and the threat of loss of life, stay and be walked over?

From what you have said on this thread, you would.

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Reply #287 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15pm

[quote author=DreamRyderX She doesnt get 'scale of offence' when discussing child crimes either. [/quote]

Well, my sun doesn't rise or set depending on how her feeble feminine mind wants to massage it.

As I see it, there seems to be 2 sides.

Both have gotten as far apart as possible.

Both are hovering precariously on the outer edges.

Now, lets try to focus all that combative energy, away from baseless name calling, & into constructive, hard nosed, flat out productive debate closer to the center.

Will you guys try, or are we in a death spiral with no way out?

[/quote]

I agree with your post, I tried earlier but this is their battle for supremacy, we the unclean are not wanted or needed, they are waiting for the other side to stop first, but I do not like the odds, one side has various members, as best as I can ascertain the other side 2.
They are at the limits, both will eventually stall and fall to earth, they will reach VNE soon. Then crash and burn.

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Reply #288 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:40pm

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 7:13pm:

Cods, let me ask you a question in terms you should understand...

Would you stay with an abusive cruel hubby if he threatened your life if you left? Sure you can take out an AVO but they don't stop murder, people ignore them, it happens far too often. So would you, for your safety and the threat of loss of life, stay and be walked over?

From what you have said on this thread, you would.

you say I have troub le understanding... Roll Eyes

the two are completely different...and you know it...

but if I dont answer I will never hear the end of it..so here goes..

I am in a relationship that is violent...

you didnt say if he started off THREATENING DEATH...

you do know this is crucial dont you??

you see he would only have had to lift his hand to me.. and I would be gone........

what has this to do with FREEDOM OF SPEECH btw?...

women have left husband who threaten death.. if they leave and then they get thrown off balconies even when they havent left....

this sadden me actually that you use domestic violence as an example when we are dealing with more than domestic violence....

this group of people.. yes they are human beings the worst kind...

will do EVERYTHING THEY SAY THEY WILL...

not all men will kill their partners for leaving even though thats the threat..

how ever I wouldnt like to say these terrorist jihadists might never do what they say they will..

would you??>...

I prefer to believe them 100%.. one of the reasons is..

they glory in death... smelling someone blood,hanging heads on fence posts doesnt give them nightmares.. they thrive on it....

they even teach their young sons.. ways and means...its their life its all they live for..

what I am saying and have been for days.. which no one will admit

is NO I DO NOT THINK DRAWING A CARTOON WAS WORTH 17 PEOPLE DYING..

DO I BELIEVE THE CARTOON CSHOULD HAVE BEN WITHDRAWN YES I DO

DO I SEE IT AS A THREAT TO OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

I SAY

WHAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS THAT?..

DO I THINK INSULTING ALL FORMS OF RELIGION SHOULD BE STOPPED...

YES I DO...

DO I FIND IT AMUSING OR CLEVER NO I DONT

DO I THINK IT IS A FORM OF BULLYING..

YES I DO...

WOULD IT BOTHER ME IF I NEVER SAW THIS TYPE OF CARTOON AGAIN

N O IT WOULDNT...

WOULD IT HAVE BEEN AN INFRINGEMENT ON OUT FOS HAD THEY WITHDRAWN IT..

I DOUBT ANYONE WOULD HAVE BEEN ANY THE WISER
AS THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE ALIVE NOW...

IF BY ANY SLIM CHANCE IT DID IMPINGE ON MY FOS
THEN ITS A SACRIFICE I WOULD B E PREPARED TO MAKE...

MY ONLY CRIME IS NOT WAN TING PEOPLE KILLED AND NOT WANTING THIS TO SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD...

IS THAT PLAIN ENOUGH FOR YOU

PLEASE DO NOT BRING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INTO THIS... MONIS WAS ON BAIL FOR IT... IN CASE YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN SO SOON...AND HIS POOR EXWIFE ISNT HERE TO TELL HER SIDE OF IT.. Angry

See, over the edge again. I never said "you have trouble understanding..." I said I would put it in terms you should understand.

It has everything to do with the topic. You think people should "shut up" when threatened, many(most) don't follow that line of thought. I don't and my wife wouldn't put up with it. If that's the way you choose to live your life and you would be a door mat just because someone threatened you... What can I say? Enjoy your life but it's not for me. It doesn't matter if it started off that way or not, it what is now that matters. If you really are in that kind of relationship, take the risk and get out while you can or you might just end up a statistic anyway.

What Monis did is of no import to what I am saying and you asking me not to bring DV into it because of what he did is just ridiculous.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #289 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:44pm

nasus wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15pm:

[quote author=DreamRyderX She doesnt get 'scale of offence' when discussing child crimes either.

Well, my sun doesn't rise or set depending on how her feeble feminine mind wants to massage it.

As I see it, there seems to be 2 sides.

Both have gotten as far apart as possible.

Both are hovering precariously on the outer edges.

Now, lets try to focus all that combative energy, away from baseless name calling, & into constructive, hard nosed, flat out productive debate closer to the center.

Will you guys try, or are we in a death spiral with no way out?

http://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/agreement001.gif

I agree with your post, I tried earlier but this is their battle for supremacy, we the unclean are not wanted or needed, they are waiting for the other side to stop first, but I do not like the odds, one side has various members, as best as I can ascertain the other side 2.
They are at the limits, both will eventually stall and fall to earth, they will reach VNE soon. Then crash and burn. [/quote]

Such is true, unfortunately the concept of Freedom of Speech is alive in practice here, but the true meaning & the principals involved in maintaining it, are lost within the forest of confusion & ignorance.

Some people never had the actual freedom to lose.

Sort of like being in a jungle, absent any predictors.

They think they have an understanding of Freedom & Liberty, but the concepts are beyond them...out of their intellectual grasp.

Therefore they aren't willing to protect the Freedom of Speech against any & all aggressors, & are willing to relinquish parts of their Freedom, in the hopes of maintaining what they want, but in the end they end up forfeiting the entire package to the aggressors they trusted only wanted an insignificant portion of their Freedom & Liberty.

Fatal mistake........

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #290 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:58pm

[quote author=DreamRyderX link

As I see it, there seems to be 2 sides.

Both have gotten as far apart as possible. Both are hovering precariously on the outer edges. Now, lets try to focus all that combative energy, away from baseless name calling, & into constructive, hard nosed, flat out productive debate closer to the center.

Will you guys try, or are we in a death spiral with no way out?[/i][/font][/size]
[/quote]

Such is true, unfortunately the concept of Freedom of Speech is alive in practice here, but the true meaning & the principals involved in maintaining it, are lost within the forest of confusion & ignorance.

Some people never had the actual freedom to lose. Sort of like being in a jungle, absent any predictors.

They think they have an understanding of Freedom & Liberty, but the concepts are beyond them...out of their intellectual grasp.

Therefore they aren't willing to protect the Freedom of Speech against any & all aggressors, & are willing to relinquish parts of their Freedom, in the hopes of maintaining what they want, but in the end they end up forfeiting the entire package to the aggressors they trusted only wanted an insignificant portion of their Freedom & Liberty.

Fatal mistake........

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Freedom of speech is not really in question here, this to both parties engaging in all manner of name calling could not care less about the concept. If the concept is beyond both the parties is irrelevant. Just because you are ignorant or stupid does not mean you loose by virtue of that stupidity the right to freedom of speech. Intellectual grasp is another furphy. We as a collective ensure that those whom cannot see are the ones most protected. We that see the light need to ensure it remains alight so that all can see and share in the light. We ensure no-one forfeits any liberties that are bestowed on them by virtue of being, they are their for eternity. They are not chips in a poker game.

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Reply #292 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:04pm

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

MY ONLY CRIME IS NOT WAN TING PEOPLE KILLED AND NOT WANTING THIS TO SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD...

IS THAT PLAIN ENOUGH FOR YOU

I know that, you keep repeating it. What you don't understand is that most people would rather risk losing their lives than live as slaves under the threat of death and you would prefer them not to and that you actually think this would stop the threats. It won't, the more you fold the harder they will stand on your neck and they might just kill you anyway.

You cherish the Charlie cartoonists lives more than they do, they are still making them. Let them make that choice. Yes we know they have families but it their choice.

As I've said, I'm not supporting the cartoons, they suck but that is not the point. It's legal and they choose to.

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Reply #294 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:26pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

MY ONLY CRIME IS NOT WAN TING PEOPLE KILLED AND NOT WANTING THIS TO SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD...

IS THAT PLAIN ENOUGH FOR YOU

I know that, you keep repeating it. What you don't understand is that most people would rather risk losing their lives than live as slaves under the threat of death and you would prefer them not to and that you actually think this would stop the threats. It won't, the more you fold the harder they will stand on your neck and they might just kill you anyway.

You cherish the Charlie cartoonists lives more than they do, they are still making them. Let them make that choice. Yes we know they have families but it their choice.

As I've said, I'm not supporting the cartoons, they suck but that is not the point. It's legal and they choose to.

I am talking to myself...

when have i abused you or anyone else on this topic for having their own opinion?????????..

just provide a link and I will do my best to see your point..

its you thinking and your mates all men I might add.. that are attacking MY THINKING.....

and believe it or not it is ONLY THINKING

I have no power to make anyone stop drawing cartoons..

you all sound as if I am going to go out now and demand the World stop drawing..

check it all sentanta dont put the blame on me...

the only one I have had a go at regarding freedom of speech is fd.. because of his hypocritcal freedom of speech system on here.........

I have said and still do believe there is not such thing as

freedom of speech even though you are prepared to die for it and claim those in France died for it..

thats ok I am not fighting with anyone over it.. its them fighting with me..

I have had every insult thrown at me....and not a word from the likes of yourself...

do I cherishtheir lives more than they do... hahahaha what a silly comment..

they didnt believe did they???....

I do.. maybe you dont either.. and you sound like you will forfeit your families lives for the right to print a cartoon......

I would much rather save lives.... than throw them away...sorrrrrrrry if that rubs you up the wrong way...

but its how I feel....and none of the bully boys have made em change my mind....in fact it makes me dig my heels in more...

you know I dont believe all those employees where fully aware of the danger they were in...they didnt seem to have a locked door...no arms ready to at least have a bit of a chance...

do yopu think they kept the worst of it from them?? after all some of them may have said.. nope my life is worth more than a cartoon...

dont you think it was rather odd no one seemed afraid enough to even lock the door.???????....

ok I look at everything differently I know...but if it was me.. at least I think I would have insisted having a cop right outside the door not the building and hav e all sorts of locks and bolts...it looked to me like they were sitting ducks..

if your family said they would die rather than stop the cartoon wouldnt you are least give them something to fight back with..????...

I am not judging you you after brought your family into this... its me that getting judged left right and centre....must be something I said... or more like I didnt say..

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Reply #295 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:37pm

Yesterday, hundreds of thousands of people gathered in the Russian region of Chechnya for a protest against the depiction of the Prophet Mohammed in Charlie Hebdo.

Protesters marched through the streets of downtown Grozny, releasing balloons and carrying posters that read 'Hands off our beloved prophet' and 'Europe has only united us'.

The rally took place near the Heart of Chechnya mosque in Grozny, with the regional leader denouncing Charlie Hebdo as 'vulgar and immoral'
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The rally took place near the Heart of Chechnya mosque in Grozny, with the regional leader denouncing Charlie Hebdo as 'vulgar and immoral'

'More than 800,000 people took part in the event in the centre of Grozny,' the Russian interior ministry said.

On Friday, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov wrote on his official Instagram account that those who defended Charlie Hebdo were his 'personal enemies', and vowed that at least 1 million people would join the government-sponsored protest in Grozny.

Russia, which has a large and restive Muslim population and waged two devastating wars against Chechnya in the 1990s, offered its condolences to France after the attack but has warned local publications against reprinting the Charlie Hebdo cartoons that featured the Prophet Mohammed.

Roskomnadzor, the Russian communications oversight agency, sent letters to several local publications barring them from re-publishing the French caricatures, and issued a warning to nationwide publications on its Facebook page last week.

thought you may be interested in this sentanta

its from bogards thread Islams Strategy towards the West...... he seems to be keeping his eye on whats happening overseas.... whilst everyone is beating me up.....they seem to have taken their eyes off the ball...

thumb your noses at them for sure....its called freedom of speech isnt it?

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Reply #296 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:37pm

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

MY ONLY CRIME IS NOT WAN TING PEOPLE KILLED AND NOT WANTING THIS TO SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD...

IS THAT PLAIN ENOUGH FOR YOU

I know that, you keep repeating it. What you don't understand is that most people would rather risk losing their lives than live as slaves under the threat of death and you would prefer them not to and that you actually think this would stop the threats. It won't, the more you fold the harder they will stand on your neck and they might just kill you anyway.

You cherish the Charlie cartoonists lives more than they do, they are still making them. Let them make that choice. Yes we know they have families but it their choice.

As I've said, I'm not supporting the cartoons, they suck but that is not the point. It's legal and they choose to.

I am talking to myself...

when have i abused you or anyone else on this topic for having their own opinion?????????..

just provide a link and I will do my best to see your point..

its you thinking and your mates all men I might add.. that are attacking MY THINKING.....

and believe it or not it is ONLY THINKING

I have no power to make anyone stop drawing cartoons..

you all sound as if I am going to go out now and demand the World stop drawing..

check it all sentanta dont put the blame on me...

the only one I have had a go at regarding freedom of speech is fd.. because of his hypocritcal freedom of speech system on here.........

I have said and still do believe there is not such thing as

freedom of speech even though you are prepared to die for it and claim those in France died for it..

thats ok I am not fighting with anyone over it.. its them fighting with me..

I have had every insult thrown at me....and not a word from the likes of yourself...

do I cherishtheir lives more than they do... hahahaha what a silly comment..

they didnt believe did they???....

I do.. maybe you dont either.. and you sound like you will forfeit your families lives for the right to print a cartoon......

I would much rather save lives.... than throw them away...sorrrrrrrry if that rubs you up the wrong way...

but its how I feel....and none of the bully boys have made em change my mind....in fact it makes me dig my heels in more...

you know I dont believe all those employees where fully aware of the danger they were in...they didnt seem to have a locked door...no arms ready to at least have a bit of a chance...

do yopu think they kept the worst of it from them?? after all some of them may have said.. nope my life is worth more than a cartoon...

dont you think it was rather odd no one seemed afraid enough to even lock the door.???????....

ok I look at everything differently I know...but if it was me.. at least I think I would have insisted having a cop right outside the door not the building and hav e all sorts of locks and bolts...it looked to me like they were sitting ducks..

if your family said they would die rather than stop the cartoon wouldnt you are least give them something to fight back with..????...

I am not judging you you after brought your family into this... its me that getting judged left right and centre....must be something I said... or more like I didnt say..

I give up.. You've gone from a little dotty to deranged, slightly unsettled to unhinged, mildly preposterous to psychotic.

You say you would rather save lives but what comes out of your mouth(fingers) is you would rather slave lives.

I'm out.

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Reply #298 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:46pm

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:26pm:

its you thinking and your mates all men I might add.. that are attacking MY THINKING.....

and believe it or not it is ONLY THINKING

I act & am on my own.....I'm my own person, & I'm nobodies 'Mate' on this forum.

I have no power to make anyone stop drawing cartoons..

you all sound as if I am going to go out now and demand the World stop drawing..

check it all sentanta dont put the blame on me...

the only one I have had a go at regarding freedom of speech is fd.. because of his hypocritcal freedom of speech system on here.........

I have said and still do believe there is not such thing as

freedom of speech even though you are prepared to die for it and claim those in France died for it..

thats ok I am not fighting with anyone over it.. its them fighting with me..

I have had every insult thrown at me....and not a word from the likes of yourself...

do I cherishtheir lives more than they do... hahahaha what a silly comment..

they didnt believe did they???....

I do.. maybe you dont either.. and you sound like you will forfeit your families lives for the right to print a cartoon......

I would much rather save lives.... than throw them away...sorrrrrrrry if that rubs you up the wrong way...

but its how I feel....and none of the bully boys have made em change my mind....in fact it makes me dig my heels in more...

you know I dont believe all those employees where fully aware of the danger they were in...they didnt seem to have a locked door...no arms ready to at least have a bit of a chance...

do yopu think they kept the worst of it from them?? after all some of them may have said.. nope my life is worth more than a cartoon...

dont you think it was rather odd no one seemed afraid enough to even lock the door.???????....

ok I look at everything differently I know...but if it was me.. at least I think I would have insisted having a cop right outside the door not the building and hav e all sorts of locks and bolts...it looked to me like they were sitting ducks..

Only people that live in fear, live huddled in a corner, their doors locked, dead-bolted, blockaded....

My door has one simple lock, easy to break in, but if I know your comin' you're in for a surprise when you get in........Swiss Cheese anyone!!??

if your family said they would die rather than stop the cartoon wouldnt you are least give them something to fight back with..????...

They do, I've seen to that, & they are well trained in personal security methodology & measures of armed survival too.

I am not judging you you after brought your family into this... its me that getting judged left right and centre....must be something I said... or more like I didnt say..

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Reply #299 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:56pm

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check it all sentanta dont put the blame on me...

the only one I have had a go at regarding freedom of speech is fd.. because of his hypocritcal freedom of speech system on here.........

Last post Cods.

I didn't put any blame on you except that of wanting to be a victim of your own well meant but unrealistic view of the world.

FD owns the site, it's his property, that's where the difference lays. The kind of FoS you want here is the same as me asking can I come into your home and say what I like or will you make the rules? His property, his rules. Now do I think the filters etc should exist? Nope, I disagree with him too but it's not my site so I don't demand he uncensor nice person.

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