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Reply #300 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:10pm

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:37pm:

Yesterday, hundreds of thousands of people gathered in the Russian region of Chechnya for a protest against the depiction of the Prophet Mohammed in Charlie Hebdo.

thought you may be interested in this sentanta

its from bogards thread Islams Strategy towards the West...... he seems to be keeping his eye on whats happening overseas.... whilst everyone is beating me up.....they seem to have taken their eyes off the ball...

thumb your noses at them for sure....its called freedom of speech isnt it?

Sentanta is trying to show you a clear path. You post about all manner of persons in Russia and Chechnya and marches for what.
The question I ask you, What do you actually believe in your heart, which is from what I read in the right place.
I agree with nothing so far you have written, for you appear to be lashing out at those who bait you.
I tried desperately to explain in my sill simplistic way what I thought you are seeking, but alas I was wrong.
All you are doing, and it is not me that is judging you, is destroying your credibility.
Sometimes it is wiser to walk away, if possible, that to destroy what you have built. But as a newbie, I am not across all what proceeded. Go with God.

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"I may not believe in what you say, however I will defend unto death your right to say it". Attributed to Voltaire. Freedom of speech a right we must regain.

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Reply #301 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:56pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:56pm:

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check it all sentanta dont put the blame on me...

the only one I have had a go at regarding freedom of speech is fd.. because of his hypocritcal freedom of speech system on here.........

Last post Cods.

I didn't put any blame on you except that of wanting to be a victim of your own well meant but unrealistic view of the world.

FD owns the site, it's his property, that's where the difference lays. The kind of FoS you want here is the same as me asking can I come into your home and say what I like or will you make the rules? His property, his rules. Now do I think the filters etc should exist? Nope, I disagree with him too but it's not my site so I don't demand he uncensor nice person.

edit: As long as I can say frontbottom all is good! Wink

did you check out bogies thread...

and it wasnt about what I want.. I do understand what your saying and I agree.. however fd went on a rampage about freedom of speech and would not answer any questions he only came back with his own stupid questions about appeasement.....as ikf there is any appeasing a raging wounded bull...

when I say there is no such thing as FoS I get abused....then here you are saying exactly what I have been saying....we all make our own rules when it comes to freedom of speech....

so all this crap about dying for it.. it just that crap....a figment of peoples imagination,.....

if fd didnt have rules regarding FoS imagine the state of the place....but he wouldnt admit it....

this is why it seems I have raged on about something...fd is very annoying.....

as for the cartoon.. was it worth dying for????...

no good saying it was the principle.. you have just admitted its rubbish...lolol.

we can beg to differ.. but have a read of what happen ing in the real world..... we get a bit carried away with our own opinions... its not as if we can change the world....we have to be united to do that.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #302 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:59pm

nasus wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:10pm:

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:37pm:

Yesterday, hundreds of thousands of people gathered in the Russian region of Chechnya for a protest against the depiction of the Prophet Mohammed in Charlie Hebdo.

thought you may be interested in this sentanta

its from bogards thread Islams Strategy towards the West...... he seems to be keeping his eye on whats happening overseas.... whilst everyone is beating me up.....they seem to have taken their eyes off the ball...

thumb your noses at them for sure....its called freedom of speech isnt it?

Sentanta is trying to show you a clear path. You post about all manner of persons in Russia and Chechnya and marches for what.
The question I ask you, What do you actually believe in your heart, which is from what I read in the right place.
I agree with nothing so far you have written, for you appear to be lashing out at those who bait you.
I tried desperately to explain in my sill simplistic way what I thought you are seeking, but alas I was wrong.
All you are doing, and it is not me that is judging you, is destroying your credibility.
Sometimes it is wiser to walk away, if possible, that to destroy what you have built. But as a newbie, I am not across all what proceeded. Go with God.

not another light spare me...

toddle off dear lectures I dont need and especially from a newbie...theres a nice thread on Stephen Fry getting married..

right up your street..

my credibility is fine thanks... your the one that sounds like you are a sandwich short of a picnic.. Cheesy

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Reply #303 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:15pm

I guess cods has embraced her cowardice like a hugging a teddy bear, and being defiant with some of the most insane and stupid reasons to throw away the ideas of freedom of speech that i have ever heard,

Cods has proved she has no real defining principles because SHE KNOWS THAT ISLAMO BULLIES CAN SCARE THE S**** OUT OF HER and bend whatever principles she thinks she ever had, TO THERE WILL.

How I imagine Cods.

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Reply #304 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:19pm

Gee, I don't know if Cods (wallop) is really understanding how deranged somebody would need to be to commit such a murderous act in cold blood. It's terrible that so-called humans like that walk this earth.
They're just like another Julian Knight or Martin Bryant. There is no hope of appeasing them. They'll just look for another reason to carry out their blood lust. They are deranged and need to be stopped.
The reply by the muslim community seems to be one of appeasement also. Fat lotta good it ever did them. They consistently cry to the west for real help whilst facing Mecca.

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Reply #305 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:36pm

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:56pm:

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check it all sentanta dont put the blame on me...

the only one I have had a go at regarding freedom of speech is fd.. because of his hypocritcal freedom of speech system on here.........

Last post Cods.

I didn't put any blame on you except that of wanting to be a victim of your own well meant but unrealistic view of the world.

FD owns the site, it's his property, that's where the difference lays. The kind of FoS you want here is the same as me asking can I come into your home and say what I like or will you make the rules? His property, his rules. Now do I think the filters etc should exist? Nope, I disagree with him too but it's not my site so I don't demand he uncensor nice person.

edit: As long as I can say frontbottom all is good! Wink

did you check out bogies thread...

and it wasnt about what I want.. I do understand what your saying and I agree.. however fd went on a rampage about freedom of speech and would not answer any questions he only came back with his own stupid questions about appeasement.....as ikf there is any appeasing a raging wounded bull...

when I say there is no such thing as FoS I get abused....then here you are saying exactly what I have been saying....we all make our own rules when it comes to freedom of speech....

so all this crap about dying for it.. it just that crap....a figment of peoples imagination,.....

if fd didnt have rules regarding FoS imagine the state of the place....but he wouldnt admit it....

this is why it seems I have raged on about something...fd is very annoying.....

as for the cartoon.. was it worth dying for????...

no good saying it was the principle.. you have just admitted its rubbish...lolol.

we can beg to differ.. but have a read of what happen ing in the real world..... we get a bit carried away with our own opinions... its not as if we can change the world....we have to be united to do that.

Glad you've calmed a bit.

Cods, there is a difference to what you can publicly say/do according to the law, than you can do in someone's home/property. FD, here, is the home owner, he may not let you burn flags in his home. In public out the front of his home you can burn the flag, do you see the difference?

It's not about dying for it but it comes to that sometimes, those Charlies wouldn't have done it otherwise, they knew there was a risk and I dare say were trying to provoke a response. They probably didn't think it would go down the way it did but they made the decision. I don't agree with their means of protest but what they are saying by going back to work and making more cartoons is you won't put your boot on my neck and that is their lawful right and as unfortunate as more cartoons are, that is the right thing to do.

It sucks hairy ones but that is the way it is, I don't have to like it but that's life. If you let someone stand over you once, they will be back for more. That's the part you are not getting.

You don't just stand up to bullies until they threaten to kill you, then walk away.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #306 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:36pm

Amadd wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:19pm:

Gee, I don't know if Cods (wallop) is really understanding how deranged somebody would need to be to commit such a murderous act in cold blood. It's terrible that so-called humans like that walk this earth.
They're just like another Julian Knight or Martin Bryant. There is no hope of appeasing them. They'll just look for another reason to carry out their blood lust. They are deranged and need to be stopped.
The reply by the muslim community seems to be one of appeasement also. Fat lotta good it ever did them. They consistently cry to the west for real help whilst facing Mecca.

Thats what is so stupid about argument.

She thinks we should bend our ideas of freedom of speech and expression to Islamo bullies, BECAUSE THEY CARRY GUNS AND ARE PSYCHOTIC ENOUGH TO KILL IF THEY ARE OFFENDED ???

I cant believe it. Grin

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Reply #308 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 6:51am

[quote author=Setanta link=1421614428/305#305 date=1421933768]no good saying it was the principle.. you have just admitted its rubbish...lolol.

we can beg to differ.. but have a read of what happen ing in the real world..... we get a bit carried away with our own opinions... its not as if we can change the world....we have to be united to do that.

Glad you've calmed a bit.

Cods, there is a difference to what you can publicly say/do according to the law, than you can do in someone's home/property. FD, here, is the home owner, he may not let you burn flags in his home. In public out the front of his home you can burn the flag, do you see the difference?

It's not about dying for it but it comes to that sometimes, those Charlies wouldn't have done it otherwise, they knew there was a risk and I dare say were trying to provoke a response. They probably didn't think it would go down the way it did but they made the decision. I don't agree with their means of protest but what they are saying by going back to work and making more cartoons is you won't put your boot on my neck and that is their lawful right and as unfortunate as more cartoons are, that is the right thing to do.

It sucks hairy ones but that is the way it is, I don't have to like it but that's life. If you let someone stand over you once, they will be back for more. That's the part you are not getting.

You don't just stand up to bullies until they threaten to kill you, then walk away[/quote]

I dont see to hav e a way with words on a computer I dont know what makes you think I was upset about anything.....but I can assure you I wasnt and I am not..

I am quite comfortable with the way I see this terrible event and how I THINK/HOPE it could have been avoided...

do I want world peace... sure do...and I do know aggression isnt the way to world peace...

sentanta going on about FoS was a dig at fd.....and anyone who thinks this appalling event has kept their fos safe and sound....

to believe for one moment.. stopping tormenting people would interfere in their every day FoS

almost makes me smile..

I am the one being abused... have you noticed that??

people usually abuse when they are losing not when they are winning...

how do you know they KNEW the full brunt of the risk they were taking???? had they had heads delivered to their doors????.....

to me it comes down to being pig headed and kicking the beehive.. sorry to bring that up again...but we cant actually kick the angry terrorists can we...

this was pure provocation...and this is what most do not understand..

they went out of their way to provoke someone who was made enough to kill wan tingly over something that has not the remotest thing to do with FoS...

the mechanic has placed a thread without a link saying terroists will March through Sydney today..

maybe this is a chance for all the bwave lads on here to go and show how much they value their fos...and march down the same street with placards claiming they will fight anyone for it...

whats the betting I dont see any of that... they feel much better after they have said it all to cods.. I know..

one of the problems I have with your last comment is

I saw Charlie as the BULLY...

they did the provoking..the name calling the insulting.. like the bully in the play ground...what does he use for a weapon????.......

I dont think there are many people who do not know how upset fanatics get regarding their god and religion....extraordinary oh god yes...we dont think like them.. christ is a swear word for us...so we think .. ok go away and suck it up...we are just having fun...

the facts are they dont like it they dont it at all...

and now we have a different kind of terrorists he will kill to stop you...simple as ABC..

I am wondering how many magazines are now printing up cartoons of muhammad knowing full well they will be plastered all over their ceilings..

is pickering still drawing them I havent heard???...

I wish you well.. and hope you never have to defend your FOS..

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #309 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 6:53am Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18am: Why is it, that some people here seem to think that freedom of speech is synonymous with freedom of stupidity? stryder and longweekend I think thats one for you..guys
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Reply #311 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 7:38am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18am:

Why is it, that some people here seem to think that freedom of speech is synonymous with freedom of stupidity?

Hi Lisa, if you are saying its "stupid" to have posted the cartoons, you may have a point....but that's not the point.

If I have a mad stallion at my place (and ive had a few) I would be "stupid' to get in the roundyard with him.

But that's not the point.

You cant allow a mad critter to run amok in your kingdom (as others have rightly said ...this is appeasement....and it would only make the stallion MORE dangerous, MORE aggressive, MORE of a threat.

So, as ruler of the farm, you have a duty of care to yourself and every other animal living under YOUR protection to tame this beast.

You will have to put in a lot of effort, you will have to isolate him, you will have to "turn up the heat" and "turn it up relentlessly" til he comes to the realisation that YOU are in charge. You will have to turn him into a whipped dog, you will have to dominate, you will have to be the alpha, you will have to show him "who's boss" relentlessly and unceasingly.
This does not have to be done in an emotional hateful way. It is an education process.

I think if Vlad Putin was PM of france, the correct protocols would be put in place.

No messing about, you cant have wild animals running amok and you use a stockwhip, a cattle prod, a rifle , a shotgun or a frigging artillery piece to eliminate the threat but you never, ever, ever, ever appease a wild animal as it only emboldens them and makes the task more difficult down the track. Wink

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Reply #312 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 7:45am

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Cods, there is a difference to what you can publicly say/do according to the law, than you can do in someone's home/property. FD, here, is the home owner, he may not let you burn flags in his home. In public out the front of his home you can burn the flag, do you see the difference?

Good luck trying to explain this one Setanta. I actually think cods already knows this but is just trying to change the subject. She throws it out constantly, but she ignores every single response.

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If you let someone stand over you once, they will be back for more. That's the part you are not getting.

Another point that has been made for cods over and over again - and to which she will not respond. She appears to think that appeasing terrorists will make them leave you alone, and her principle strategy for debating this key issue is to cover her ears and chant.

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Reply #313 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:05am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 7:45am:

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Cods, there is a difference to what you can publicly say/do according to the law, than you can do in someone's home/property. FD, here, is the home owner, he may not let you burn flags in his home. In public out the front of his home you can burn the flag, do you see the difference?

Good luck trying to explain this one Setanta. I actually think cods already knows this but is just trying to change the subject. She throws it out constantly, but she ignores every single response.

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If you let someone stand over you once, they will be back for more. That's the part you are not getting.

Another point that has been made for cods over and over again - and to which she will not respond. She appears to think that appeasing terrorists will make them leave you alone, and her principle strategy for debating this key issue is to cover her ears and chant.

Oh FD, have you only JUST noticed this? The rest of us have been enduring it throughout her incessant hyper mode driven 36 000 posts. Her baiting has reached beyond insane levels. Those of us who have in frustration, tried to engage with her, have found ourselves on the receiving end of an ill deserved ban.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49193 At my desk.	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #314 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:08am Just ignore her then. There is no shortage of people like that, and they are not an excusing for lack of self control.
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