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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #315 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:11am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 7:38am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18am:

Why is it, that some people here seem to think that freedom of speech is synonymous with freedom of stupidity?

Hi Lisa, if you are saying its "stupid" to have posted the cartoons, you may have a point....but that's not the point.

If I have a mad stallion at my place (and ive had a few) I would be "stupid' to get in the roundyard with him.

But that's not the point.

You cant allow a mad critter to run amok in your kingdom (as others have rightly said ...this is appeasement....and it would only make the stallion MORE dangerous, MORE aggressive, MORE of a threat.

So, as ruler of the farm, you have a duty of care to yourself and every other animal living under YOUR protection to tame this beast.

You will have to put in a lot of effort, you will have to isolate him, you will have to "turn up the heat" and "turn it up relentlessly" til he comes to the realisation that YOU are in charge. You will have to turn him into a whipped dog, you will have to dominate, you will have to be the alpha, you will have to show him "who's boss" relentlessly and unceasingly.
This does not have to be done in an emotional hateful way. It is an education process.

I think if Vlad Putin was PM of france, the correct protocols would be put in place.

No messing about, you cant have wild animals running amok and you use a stockwhip, a cattle prod, a rifle , a shotgun or a frigging artillery piece to eliminate the threat but you never, ever, ever, ever appease a wild animal as it only emboldens them and makes the task more difficult down the track. Wink

A good analogy, well put!

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Reply #316 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:15am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:08am:

Just ignore her then. There is no shortage of people like that, and they are not an excusing for lack of self control.

Believe you me, many of us are..now. In fact we post around her so as to not be baited by her again. Hey FD, isn't there something in Forum Rules about those who bait? Yes, I believe there is. It would be nice to see that rule enforced for a change. Just saying.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49190 At my desk.	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #317 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:19am Quote: Hey FD, isn't there something in Forum Rules about those who bait? Yes, I believe there is. It says ignore them. Quote: I think if Vlad Putin was PM of france, the correct protocols would be put in place. Russia has instructed it's media not to publish the cartoons.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #318 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:20am I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans. Have they taken away or even tried to take away anything that's important to your lifestyle yet?....and don't come back with that nonsense about Christmas and Easter.
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Reply #319 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:23am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:19am:

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Hey FD, isn't there something in Forum Rules about those who bait? Yes, I believe there is.

It says ignore them.

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I think if Vlad Putin was PM of france, the correct protocols would be put in place.

Russia has instructed it's media not to publish the cartoons.

Why? I wonder if Mr Putin can envisage a likely event before it happens?

Maybe he sees no reason to throw petrol on the fire for the sake of a cartoon. Russia is a very religious nation, they wouldn't like their prophet insulted....do unto others sort of thing.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #320 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:28am freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:19am: Quote: Hey FD, isn't there something in Forum Rules about those who bait? Yes, I believe there is. It says ignore them. It also says something about those initiating the situation. You can't have a master baiter on the loose, running around with forum immunity ... can you?
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Reply #321 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:28am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:05am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 7:45am:

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Cods, there is a difference to what you can publicly say/do according to the law, than you can do in someone's home/property. FD, here, is the home owner, he may not let you burn flags in his home. In public out the front of his home you can burn the flag, do you see the difference?

Good luck trying to explain this one Setanta. I actually think cods already knows this but is just trying to change the subject. She throws it out constantly, but she ignores every single response.

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If you let someone stand over you once, they will be back for more. That's the part you are not getting.

Another point that has been made for cods over and over again - and to which she will not respond. She appears to think that appeasing terrorists will make them leave you alone, and her principle strategy for debating this key issue is to cover her ears and chant.

Oh FD, have you only JUST noticed this? The rest of us have been enduring it throughout her incessant hyper mode driven 36 000 posts. Her baiting has reached beyond insane levels. Those of us who have in frustration, tried to engage with her, have found ourselves on the receiving end of an ill deserved ban.

An ill deserved ban? I would think if you got banned you broke at least one forum rule.

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Reply #322 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:33am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:19am:

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Hey FD, isn't there something in Forum Rules about those who bait? Yes, I believe there is.

It says ignore them.

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I think if Vlad Putin was PM of france, the correct protocols would be put in place.

Russia has instructed it's media not to publish the cartoons.

Good old Vlad, he's not stepping in the round yard with the mustang.
I'll bet he has a "sterner" way of dealing with the muslim rebels in the south of Russia then wandering around with a little sign saying
Je Suis Vlad. Wink

They be feeling the full force of vlad's "re - education" until they submit to the alpha.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #323 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:38am Pansi, we have a situation here and it's affecting a lot of us. K? Given where this discussion is heading, I would much prefer to raise these issues (and a few more) in the Feedback Board, but I cannot find the post button to do so.
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Reply #324 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:47am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:38am:

Pansi, we have a situation here and it's affecting a lot of us. K?

Given where this discussion is heading, I would much prefer to raise these issues (and a few more) in the Feedback Board, but I cannot find the post button to do so.

OMG!....a situation you say? We haven't had one of those for a while.

What affect is it having on you, Lisa? Take a seat, have a cup of tea and a Tim Tam and let's discuss it.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #325 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:05am Hmmm... still can't see the POST button for Feedback here. Interesting...
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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #326 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

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It also says something about those initiating the situation.

Lisa, if you are confused, quote it, and I will explain it for you.

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Reply #327 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:11am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:20am:

I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans.

Have they taken away or even tried to take away anything that's important to your lifestyle yet?....and don't come back with that nonsense about Christmas and Easter.

Come on Pansi, get real. They took away our right to draw offensive caricatures of the prophet Muhammed and publish them in a little known foreign cartoon mag we will never see or wish to. My Saturday nights are ruined.

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Reply #328 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:19am

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 3:35pm:

The bully boys are out in force today!

you should get out more red they are following me all over the forum as they see their manhood being threatened....they havent worked it out yet what they are fighting for......one says FoS another Principle.. even though they havent got any themselves...

and others think Hitler will come back if we stop insulting cartoons...its all kind of got murky

so now I think its a manhood problem..

You're about as threatening to anyones manhood as Julian Clary Grin

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #329 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

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It also says something about those initiating the situation.

Lisa, if you are confused, quote it, and I will explain it for you.

I'm more confused as to why I cannot post this in Feedback. Any ideas FD?

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