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Reply #330 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:48am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

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It also says something about those initiating the situation.

Lisa, if you are confused, quote it, and I will explain it for you.

I'm more confused as to why I cannot post this in Feedback. Any ideas FD?

I am going to go out on a bit of a limb and suggest you might be trying to "reply" to a locked thread...

Just a thought.

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Reply #331 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:49am

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:48am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

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It also says something about those initiating the situation.

Lisa, if you are confused, quote it, and I will explain it for you.

I'm more confused as to why I cannot post this in Feedback. Any ideas FD?

I am going to go out on a bit of a limb and suggest you might be trying to "reply" to a locked thread...

Just a thought.

No. I just do not have the post button. I only have view access. My topic has been moved from Chat to Feedback by FD. I'm trying to post in it over there but I cannot. K?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49193 At my desk.	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #332 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:00pm You should be able to reply to the thread now: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421955982
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #333 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:02pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:00pm: You should be able to reply to the thread now: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421955982 Ok. I'll see if it works now.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #334 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:07pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:00pm: You should be able to reply to the thread now: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421955982 Indeed I can. Thanks FD. Can you please answer a simple question re Global Mods in Feedback?
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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #335 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:38pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

Where would I draw the line?

If they took away my freedom to actively engage in public protest, that's it, war on, until then nah!....I don't do offensive, insulting cartoons about prophets so I'm safe for now.

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Reply #336 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:51pm

Think this says it all ..Red

If only all our politicians stop the politically correct spin and be as refreshingly straight forward as this guy! I'm sure you won't see this interview aired in the mainstream media.
Part of the transcript of an interview aired on Al Jazeera that a friend sent me, where Scott Morrison, MP was invited for comment.
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Transcript Station:
Al JaZeERa ENGLISH
Date:
9/1/2015...
Program: The STREAM Time:7:06 AM
Compere:
AL JAZEERA Summary ID:W00059934129
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INTERVIEW ON CHARLIE HEBDO KILLINGS

MORRISON: I’m sorry. I have to interrupt here. I’m sorry I am not going to sit here and listen to people stupidly suggest that the French or the magazine or anyone brought this on themselves. Are you for real? We have a dozen people dead, killed in the name of a religious belief and you are seriously going to even slightly justify this?
COMPERE: I don’t think anyone is justifying anything here.
MORRISON: Well that’s not what I am hearing. I’m hearing this vaguely worded defence that France shouldn’t have done this and Sarkozy said that two years ago, and if they didn’t draw Mohammed then this might not of happened or whatever. It is obscene and a gutless way of almost saying they all deserved this. Well if you believe that you are about as bad as the idiot who thinks the pretty girl in the short skirt is asking to be raped so she better watch out.
COMPERE: That’s a ridiculous comparison.
MORRISON: Is it ridiculous? Tell me how? It’s the “you were asking for it” way of thinking. Your logic is those who drew the pictures should have known better and should have known what the response would be. Where as I say, if you can’t accept that people have different views to you then maybe the problem is with you if your response is the pull out an AK and go nuts.
COMPERE: Well, the material was designed to offend.
MORRISON: And so what. A lot of what I’ve heard here today has offended me but if you’re civilised, and I think that’s a major issue with some of the people we are talking about, if you are civilised you just get on with it. We shouldn’t have to have special rules for special people.
COMPERE: No-one is suggesting special rules just an understanding that some things are offensive.
MORRISON: So OK, we can have a bit of fun with the Pope, with Buddha, Jesus Christ on the Cross, The Dalai Lama, The Queen, Barack Obama. Want to add to the list? But not anything or anyone associated with Muslims. They’re special apparently. And that’s where all this free speech talk I’m hearing falls to bits. If you defend free speech then you defend offensive speech as well. It’s real easy to stand up for the nice stuff but sometime it gets ugly and if you are fair dinkum, as we say in Australia, you stand for all. Now, I’m not fond of Jesus Christ jokes but if you crack one you shouldn’t fear a few goons showing up with AK47s and shooting everyone in the office dead at their desks. So please, spare me the justification garbage for these terrorists being upset and just responding to provocation. If you think they are even slightly justified for killing people who drew some pictures then I’m afraid you are over in their column.
COMPERE: OK I take your point but if you deliberately set out to offend there are consequences.
MORRISON: Yes there are. People might not buy your magazine or you get nasty letters in the mail from upset people but not a dozen of your workmates dead at their desks, and here we are again talking about consequences. It’s back to the same argument as the pretty girl in the bar example. If you think she’s asking to be raped you are, in my view, unfit for civilised society. You are uncivilised and maybe that’s something we should be spending a bit of energy on.
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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #337 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

Where would I draw the line?

If they took away my freedom to actively engage in public protest, that's it, war on, until then nah!....I don't do offensive, insulting cartoons about prophets so I'm safe for now.

Is publishing a cartoon mocking Muhammed a form of public protest?

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #338 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 11:29pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

Where would I draw the line?

If they took away my freedom to actively engage in public protest, that's it, war on, until then nah!....I don't do offensive, insulting cartoons about prophets so I'm safe for now.

Is publishing a cartoon mocking Muhammed a form of public protest?

Did somebody say cartoooon??????

I dunno who that guy is supposed ta be, but he sure don't look none too comfy.

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Reply #339 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 6:16am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

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I'll jump on the war on Islam bandwagon when they take away something that really matters, until then I'll sit back and watch the shenanigans

Pansi this is just another way of you refusing to say just how low you would stoop to appease terrorists. To most people, freedom of speech matters. Where would you draw the line Pansi?

Where would I draw the line?

If they took away my freedom to actively engage in public protest, that's it, war on, until then nah!....I don't do offensive, insulting cartoons about prophets so I'm safe for now.

Is publishing a cartoon mocking Muhammed a form of public protest?

I don't know, maybe, maybe not, you'd have to ask the cartoonist what exactly their intention is, what the reasoning is for attacking Muhammad and those that worship him.

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Reply #340 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 7:46am

So the war might be on, and you might be on the anti-Islam bandwagon, depending on the intention of the cartoonists?

Or did you mean only if they took away the right to protest in ways that you approve of?

Looks like Pansi shares Abu's interpretation of freedom:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 7:17am:

They haven't taken away any rights, that's the point. Anyone is still free to do the cartoon thing, if they so desire and if they're prepared to die for their cause.

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Reply #341 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:22am

red baron wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 5:51pm:

Think this says it all ..Red

If only all our politicians stop the politically correct spin and be as refreshingly straight forward as this guy! I'm sure you won't see this interview aired in the mainstream media.
Part of the transcript of an interview aired on Al Jazeera that a friend sent me, where Scott Morrison, MP was invited for comment.

Scott Morrison MP?
No, some guy called Jason Morrison.
Wrong yet again, Red.

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Reply #343 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:45am

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Freedom of speech is a fine ideal that I support, well of course, unless you are responding to a taunt on a forum at least - then it's not ok.

Geez, read the fuggin' rules.
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Reply #344 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:48am

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Freedom of speech is a fine ideal that I support, well of course, unless you are responding to a taunt on a forum at least - then it's not ok.

The true Freedom of Speech has no actual boundaries.

One is free to say anything they wish, to anyone they wish, & be as pure or distasteful as they wish.

Speech does not have to be liked to be spoken.

No law in government can regulate speech until after it is spoken, & then only depending upon the resolve of those choosing to exercise their right.

Government can fine me....but only after I've said my piece, & it's hit your ears or eyes, & after I pay my fine I'm free to say whatever I wish, again.

As long as my desire to say what I wish is stronger than the penalty, my free speech prevails.

Those who died in Paris, are dead but not silenced. The Islamics who murdered them didn't count on the many thousands upon thousands of other free minded people prepared to lift up their torches of Freedom & Liberty in their stead.

Those who died in Paris are dead, but not silenced.

They will never be silenced!

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