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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #375 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 12:55am

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Phem is chanting the same stupid mantra as cods. Freedom of speech does not entitle you to compel someone else to publish your tripe.

What a wormy statement...

Demonstrate where I "compel you to publish my tripe...." I defy you to. You won't, you can't as such, you lied!

All I have been doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of your stated position vs the reality of what you practice. No compulsion in anything I have said towards what you publish. In point of fact, I am extremely clear that it is your board, your little sandpit.

You have said nothing in your attacks to demonstrate otherwise. All your tough talk labeling others, yours are the cowardly actions (regardless of whether you have fromage appetites or not), you talk the talk alright but you clearly do not walk the walk.

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Reply #376 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 5:58am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

Good propaganda here, Comrades. We mustn't insult Islam, but we should continually insult Christianity as we "progressives" have been doing for the past 150 years. This is progress

read carefully....

when CHristian or Jewish extreme fanatics start saying they will kill the next person who insults them..

thats you see the difference Christian and Jews have massive sense of humours...they take it on the chin.. even when it really is extreme...

but our friends from the extreme Muslims do not have a sense of humour..

if we are so CHristian why is it so hard for us to stop tormenting them???>..

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Reply #378 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:05am

Proposal for new independent Australia celebrations:

1. Australian day to be celebrated from the day when Australia gets own Australian head of state (either President or Monarch) and stop being a British colony.
It will be from 03. 09. 2019

2. Instead Anzac Day to be celebrated [b]Resistant invasion day from 2 May 2019 which represent day when multicultural defended resisted Japanese invasion in 1942.

Apologies to Aussie British Colonial Nationalist friends for being politically incorrect.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #379 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:27am

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Freedom of speech is such cop out- most bullies use the old "freedom of speech" mantra to give themselves permission to bully.

Crap.

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A thinly veiled excuse crossing an almost imperceptible and very blurred line - FoS is just a war of semantics weighted in favour of the bully/terrorist etc.

AG, contrary to your delusions, people who mock you online are not the same as terrorists. The terrorists are openly trying to destroy freedom of speech.

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What a wormy statement...
Demonstrate where I "compel you to publish my tripe...." I defy you to. You won't, you can't as such, you lied!

It is a statement of principle Phem. You, cods, pansi and the rest of the apologists are trying to deflect from your spineless appeasement by accusing me of hypocrisy. You suggest that because I do not allow a free-for-all on this forum that I do not genuinely value freedom of speech. Of course, you will not discuss this either. You just repeat the same old idiotic mantras.

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All I have been doing is pointing out the hypocrisy of your stated position vs the reality of what you practice. No compulsion in anything I have said towards what you publish. In point of fact, I am extremely clear that it is your board, your little sandpit.

And having standards in no way limits your freedom of speech, right? How exactly is this hypocrisy? Does having standards on this forum mean I cannot object to terrorists murdering cartoonists? If there is a less stupid interpretation of your accusation, now would be the time to offer it.

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when CHristian or Jewish extreme fanatics start saying they will kill the next person who insults them..

So cods, you only appease those who vaguely threaten you?

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thats you see the difference Christian and Jews have massive sense of humours...they take it on the chin.. even when it really is extreme...

They have senses of humour now, because people have stood up to them in the past, and developing a sense of humour was the only way to cope with freedom of speech. They did not develop a sense of humour by laughing at spineless appeasers.

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Reply #380 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:18am

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Show me one post I have made in which I say that Muslims scare me. They don't because I don't care about them any more than I care about Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/Calathumpian etc etc nutters.

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Muslim nutters are the only ones you are trying to appease. You are happy to mock Christianity. With Islam it is the opposite.

I am trying to appease no-one. I am not mocking Christianity or Islam. You are mocking Islam, yet you give the clear and obvious opportunity to do the same with Christianity a mile wide berth through you silence. To make it clear to you......I don't give a stuff about sky fairies or their devotees, yet you seem to want to make a mocking of just one religion your determined life ambition.

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Ya know what? Unlike you and your cheerleaders, I don't care if the major religion in Australia is Islam. Why should I. It will not bother me one iota.

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Are there any other places in the world where Muslims are the majority where you would actually want to live Aussie? Not many would let you get away with mocking Islam the way you mock Christianity in this thread.

No there is not, and there are many where the majority religion is Christian I would actually not want to live in. However, if I did go to a Country where Islam is the religion, I would not mock Islam. If I did go to a Country where the majority religion was Hindu, I would not mock that religion. I simply do not care what sky fairy people choose to believe in, as it is none of my bloody business.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #381 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:25am

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I am trying to appease no-one. I am not mocking Christianity or Islam. You are mocking Islam, yet you give the clear and obvious opportunity to do the same with Christianity a mile wide berth through you silence.

Does it upset you that I don't criticise them all in equal measure Aussie? You sound just like Brian Ross with this nonsense.

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To make it clear to you......I don't give a stuff about sky fairies or their devotees

Don't you think some religious people find find this offensive? You mock religions without giving it a second thought. You do not even realise you are doing it because no-one is going on a violent rampage over it. You only notice it when Islam gets mocked, because the terrorists have trained you to speak for them without even realising what you are doing.

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yet you seem to want to make a mocking of just one religion your determined life ambition

I want to maintain the right to do so. I guarantee you that if Christians tried to destroy freedom of speech, I would stand against them. As has been pointed out to you countless times already, it is the Muslims, not the Christians, who are slaughtering people in an effort to destroy freedom of speech. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps this is why so many focus their criticism on Islam?

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No there is not, and there are many where the majority religion is Christian I would actually not want to live in. However, if I did go to a Country where Islam is the religion, I would not mock Islam.

You would not mock Islam from here. Why do your principles depend on who forms the majority? Is it some kind of popularity contest?

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #382 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:56am

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:27am:

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What a wormy statement...
Demonstrate where I "compel you to publish my tripe...." I defy you to. You won't, you can't as such, you lied!

It is a statement of principle Phem. You, cods, pansi and the rest of the apologists are trying to deflect from your spineless appeasement by accusing me of hypocrisy. You suggest that because I do not allow a free-for-all on this forum that I do not genuinely value freedom of speech. Of course, you will not discuss this either. You just repeat the same old idiotic mantras.

So, actual short answer, no you cannot back up your hysterical claims about my position in this discussion....

In effect, that is lying.

At this point nothing you say is backed by principals to be blunt.

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Reply #383 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

I'll respond to this, and then 'wunaway' as freediver childishly puts it:

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You would not mock Islam from here. Why do your principles depend on who forms the majority? Is it some kind of popularity contest?

Why build strawmen, freediver? Am I not saying what you want me to say, so you want to do that for me?

I said none of those things.

I did not say I would/would not mock Islam from here, or anywhere. I could not be bothered, and I think it is odd that people (like you) want to go out of their way to do it. To make your day a little.....I believe it is unnecessary, and indicative of an 'intellectual' superiority complex that anyone go out of their way to mock anyone, including those of any particular religious faith, and I believe it is wrong to kill people who so mock. I have little respect for either side in fact. It's a bit of a toss up. Poke a bear, he's gonna lash out. Poke fun at a religion, its zealots will lash out. However, they are not bears, and killing is taking it too far. But.....those who mock should not whinge when a reaction comes their way.

I did not say anything about "principles depending on who forms the majority." I said that there are many countries including Islamic and Christian where I would not choose to live.

I also said nothing about a "popularity content."

It seems, given what you've posed to me, and from what you have posted concerning Phemanderac that you are so blinkered that you can only see every response you get as an appeasement of Islamic retards when in fact, especially in my case, it is not. I just do not care enough to make it something it is not and, with single minded obsession, the centre of my Universe like you do.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #384 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

stryder wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 7:40am:

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

Muhammed was a war-mongering, thieving, raping, torturing pedophile. The ideology he spawned and it's followers are the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

How does that sound Aussie?

Spot on, from where Im sitting Grin

Funnily enough, for once I totally agree with something FD has posted. However, I'll make sure this never happens again.

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Reply #385 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 1:54pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Phem is chanting the same stupid mantra as cods. Freedom of speech does not entitle you to compel someone else to publish your tripe.

Neither does it entitle you to use your privileged access to a schmedia outlet to abuse, ridicule and bring into disrepute billions of people because of their religious faith.

That access involves the exercise of responsibility and is not carte blanch to publish your said tripe.

Aussie,

Could it be possible, that 'billions of people' [i.e.moslems], actively bring themselves into disrepute ?

In their tacit support of ISLAM, and their support of what ISLAM promotes in the world ?

It is 'the moslem' himself, and it is their own choice, to become/remain a moslem [especially when a moslem, is resident in a secular nation like Australia! ].

[i.e. it is their 'life' choice, to support the worldview which their 'faith' promotes. i.e. political intimidation, political violence and murder. ]

Aussie,

It is 'the moslem' himself, who chooses to associate himself, with a violent and murderous philosophy [ISLAM] which promotes political violence and murder !!

Whose members, revere a person [Mohammed] who was a murderer [and promoted political violence and murder].

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

And Mohammed was an abductor [an enslaver of men, women and children] and a rapist. [.....just like ISIS is, in Syria/Iraq, today!!!]

Aussie,

It is 'the moslem' himself, who chooses to associate himself, with a 'faith' which promotes a 'ideals' like this; ----->

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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MOHAMMED WAS AN ABDUCTOR OF WOMEN, AND A RAPIST....

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"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

ISLAM SANCTIONS THE - MURDER - OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT MOSLEMS [BECAUSE THEY REJECT ISLAM]

Yadda wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM.

ISIS know it.

Al-Qaeda know it.

The Saudis know it.

And EVERY moslem who is living among us, here in Australia, knows it.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #386 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 1:57pm

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:27am:

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What a wormy statement...
Demonstrate where I "compel you to publish my tripe...." I defy you to. You won't, you can't as such, you lied!

It is a statement of principle Phem. You, cods, pansi and the rest of the apologists are trying to deflect from your spineless appeasement by accusing me of hypocrisy. You suggest that because I do not allow a free-for-all on this forum that I do not genuinely value freedom of speech. Of course, you will not discuss this either. You just repeat the same old idiotic mantras.

So, actual short answer, no you cannot back up your hysterical claims about my position in this discussion....

In effect, that is lying.

At this point nothing you say is backed by principals to be blunt.

If freedom of speech really meant that I could not restrict what you lot posted here, that would be the same as you being able to compel me to publish whatever you submitted. This is the only meaning I can attach to your accusation of hypocrisy. If you meant something a little less stupid, now would be the time to explain. perhaps you meant I am a hypocrite for having a consistent set of views on the matter, but you happen to disagree with one or more of them?

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Why build strawmen, freediver? Am I not saying what you want me to say, so you want to do that for me?
I said none of those things.

And I just accused you of not saying them.

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I did not say I would/would not mock Islam from here, or anywhere.

Your actions prove this Aussie.

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I could not be bothered, and I think it is odd that people (like you) want to go out of their way to do it. To make your day a little.....I believe it is unnecessary, and indicative of an 'intellectual' superiority complex that anyone go out of their way to mock anyone, including those of any particular religious faith

And yet you regularly go out of your way to mock others.

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But.....those who mock should not whinge when a reaction comes their way.

Why not Aussie? If Muslims decided to take offense to something you want to do, and you continued despite their threats, would you be satisfied if people told you to shut up when they took revenge on you? Such a spineless position could only come from someone who does not actually value freedom of speech. Someone who actually values freedom of speech would complain on their behalf, and on behalf of their own lost freedoms, not tell them to shut up.

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I did not say anything about "principles depending on who forms the majority."

You went to some length to explain you would refrain from mocking particular religions, depending on who made up the majority.

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I also said nothing about a "popularity content."

That's what it means when you are guided by the majority opinion Aussie.

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Reply #389 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Sorry Yadda......I don't read your long blurbs which contain religious texts. Express yourself and not a chant, and I'll read it.

Like this ?

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Aussie,

Your opinion is wrong, and indefensible, to reasoned argument.

Your opinion offends reason.

You win.

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