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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21651 ACT Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #390 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 2:58pm Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 1:58pm: Sorry Yadda......I don't read your long blurbs which contain religious texts. Express yourself and not a chant, and I'll read it. Me too Aussie, I open them and then close them without trying to fathom what the hell they are on about.
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Reply #391 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 3:12pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:27am:

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What a wormy statement...
Demonstrate where I "compel you to publish my tripe...." I defy you to. You won't, you can't as such, you lied!

It is a statement of principle Phem. You, cods, pansi and the rest of the apologists are trying to deflect from your spineless appeasement by accusing me of hypocrisy. You suggest that because I do not allow a free-for-all on this forum that I do not genuinely value freedom of speech. Of course, you will not discuss this either. You just repeat the same old idiotic mantras.

So, actual short answer, no you cannot back up your hysterical claims about my position in this discussion....

In effect, that is lying.

At this point nothing you say is backed by principals to be blunt.

If freedom of speech really meant that I could not restrict what you lot posted here, that would be the same as you being able to compel me to publish whatever you submitted. This is the only meaning I can attach to your accusation of hypocrisy. If you meant something a little less stupid, now would be the time to explain. perhaps you meant I am a hypocrite for having a consistent set of views on the matter, but you happen to disagree with one or more of them?

This idea has been introduced by you though... I have never suggested anything even bordering on your stupid interpretation based on your own hatred, fear and appeasing attitudes that in no way relates to anything (even remotely) I have stated.

Funnily enough, you had a great opportunity here to articulate your specific interpretation of what Freedom of Speech actually means, yet you invest your time into accusing me of comments I have not made, and then arguing vociferously as though I had made them. Demonstrates your real agenda pretty clearly to be honest.

By all means, let me know when you want to have an adult discussion about the things I actually say. When you can aspire at least to that level of honesty we might be able to have a debate. This garbage you spew forth from your key board though is simply petulant smashing stuff ideas, with no connection to my commentary.

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Reply #392 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 3:21pm

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Funnily enough, you had a great opportunity here to articulate your specific interpretation of what Freedom of Speech actually means, yet you invest your time into accusing me of comments I have not made, and then arguing vociferously as though I had made them. Demonstrates your real agenda pretty clearly to be honest.

I, too, have made exactly the same point. We are not following freediver's preconceived notions or scripts if you like, so he throws up strawmen, and proceeds as if you and I (and why would he restrict that to just us two...he probably makes a habit of it at large) have said things/proposed points we simply have not said or proposed.

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Reply #393 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

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Funnily enough, you had a great opportunity here to articulate your specific interpretation of what Freedom of Speech actually means

The right to say something you might not like. As I recall, it was you, cods, pansi etc offering an 'alternative' definition that none of you could actually put into words.

Aussie there is no strawman. I am accusing you of posting spineless gibberish like this:

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But.....those who mock should not whinge when a reaction comes their way.

I have responded this comment already. Insterad of responding in turn, you took the easy option and accused me of posting strawmen.

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Reply #394 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:19pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

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Funnily enough, you had a great opportunity here to articulate your specific interpretation of what Freedom of Speech actually means

The right to say something you might not like. As I recall, it was you, cods, pansi etc offering an 'alternative' definition that none of you could actually put into words.

I don't believe there is any such thing as Freedom of Speech, and your dog's breakfast responses make it plain you have no idea what you seem to say it means.

You seem to be saying that I have the right to say something you may not like..................but, not, of course, in your back yard. That is where you are coming apart freediver, and cods has quite readily dismantled your piety on the issue.

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Reply #396 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

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Funnily enough, you had a great opportunity here to articulate your specific interpretation of what Freedom of Speech actually means

The right to say something you might not like. As I recall, it was you, cods, pansi etc offering an 'alternative' definition that none of you could actually put into words.

Aussie there is no strawman. I am accusing you of posting spineless gibberish like this:

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But.....those who mock should not whinge when a reaction comes their way.

I have responded this comment already. Insterad of responding in turn, you took the easy option and accused me of posting strawmen.

freediver, how many times now have you been called out to prove where someone said something you falsely alleged they said? Just read the last couple of pages here for obvious examples. That, freediver, is what you do........manufacture strawmen arguments.

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Reply #397 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:28pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Yes Aussie. You have the right to say things, but not to be in my back yard. Nor does saying offensive things while you rob someone excuse you robbing them. They are two separate issues Aussie. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to compel anything from anyone.

Unravelling at a zillion miles an hour.....and you are not even making sense now. Freediver, just give it up. You are trying to defend something which does not exist ~ freedom of speech ~ and when you attempt a definition, you are easily blown out of the water as is just demonstrated. Whenever the expression freedom is followed by the word but...............there is no freedom. 'Freedom but...' is an oxymoron.

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Reply #398 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:29pm

Quote me making one of these false allegations Aussie. Just because you disagree with my description of what you say as spineless appeasement does not mean I have falsely attributed anything to you. The last few pages of this thread demonstrate only that I have quoted what you and others post before responding to it.

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Unravelling at a zillion miles an hour.....

OK Aussie, I will dumb it down even more for you. Freedom of speech gives you the right to say things. It does not give you the right to post them on someone else's website. That is a privilege, not a right. Making it a right would turn your freedom into a right to compel things from other people.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #399 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:31pm Freedom of speech is in full flight on this site Aussie. It is just you who has his own 'lawyerised', convoluted view on things. Just because you believe it to be so, doesn't make it so. I don't see legion of supporters flocking to your peculiar point of view.
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Reply #400 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

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Quote me making one of these false allegations Aussie.

Okay.....see Posts numbered 371, 375, 380, 382, 383 and 391 of the last couple of pages.

You are right to say you are entitled to control what goes on in your back yard. That is exactly just one example of how there is no such thing as freedom of speech. It is like the sky fairies ~ it simply does not exist.

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Reply #401 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

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Okay.....see Posts numbered 371, 375, 380, 382, 383 and 391 of the last couple of pages.

Yet more examples of me quoting more spineless apologetics and calling it spineless apologetics. What is your problem with that Aussie?

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You are right to say you are entitled to control what goes on in your back yard. That is exactly just one example of how there is no such thing as freedom of speech.

No it is not Aussie. It is an example of your complete inability to comprehend the concept. Your blindness to the world does not in any way negate the world's existence.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38801 Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #402 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:44pm There ya go, right on cue. More false allegation. Quote: Your blindness to the world does not in any way negate the world's existence. Show me where I said the World does not exist?
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #403 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:48pm You see that last post from Aussie? That's what I'm talking about. That is classic Aussie.
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Reply #404 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 5:36pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

There ya go, right on cue. More false allegation.

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Your blindness to the world does not in any way negate the world's existence.

Show me where I said the World does not exist?

No problem. Right after you quote me saying that you said the world does not exist. Again Aussie, this is demonstrating nothing more than your misunderstanding.

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