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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #420 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

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You could 'build a bridge' and see how you go with common sense. That ought to work. Further, I'm quite sure there are many, many Members here who would not have the malaise, the blight I have....of always misunderstanding you.

Funny thing is, they haven't asked. Or at least, some did originally ask, but fell silent once a dedicated thread was started. Maybe everyone does know what freedom of speech means. Except you of course. I accept that you don't know.

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We've already dealt with that one.....and you added a 'but' to it. We are after a definition for Freedom of Speech which does not include the word....'but.'

You initially asked for all the buts. Now you want no buts? And it has to be both concise and complete?

Just post your definition, and if it is challenged, please......no 'buts.'

And is it okay if I ask why you are free to abuse cods, contrary to your own Rules here? Is that part of your definition of 'Freedom of Speech?'

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Reply #422 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

cods wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

I 'get' that Setanta. No problem. All I am asking is that freediver define this thing ~ freedom of speech ~ he has been defending. On the last occasion he made a trivial attempt.....there was a 'but.'

Yeah, that was to Cods, she thinks FD should allow her to call FD a M.or.on here and that the filter is an abridgement of her FoS. Maybe you could have a word with her about i

not quiet.... I was suggesting to R.B.. in reply to his comment

[quote author=red baron] Freedom of speech is in full flight on this site Aussie. It is just you who has his own 'lawyerised', convoluted view on things.

why dont you try reading everything... then you wouldnt look like you are waiting to pounce.on anything and everything.

how is the crawling to fd going???.... Roll Eyes

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I don't know cods, you did respond to that but your reply was "have you tried calling someone the M word by any chance?" It doesn't matter, if FD doesn't want the word used here on his property, well... Tough titties. I can assure you I'm calling it like I see it. I have no reason to crawl, there is nothing I want from him. Perhaps you have something in mind? Spit it out.

edit: Perhaps you think I want to mod or something? Not on your life. Perhaps not get banned? I've never even been warned on any forum I've been on in 20 years.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #423 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:51pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

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Just post your definition, and if it is challenged, please......no 'buts.'

The right to say something you might not like.

Okay.

Step 1. By 'Aussie.'

Can I say what you might not like here?

Step 2. By freediver.

No, that is not part of 'freedom of speech.' You can only say here what I allow.

Step 3. By 'Aussie.'

How jolly. There we have an exception to your notion (one I accept) which is clearly no longer one of 'freedom of speech.' So.....let's have your definition which takes into account those three 'steps.'

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Reply #424 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:34pm

You asked for a definition without the buts Aussie. Make up your mind.

It is not an exception by the way. Being able to say something in no way implies the right to demand others publish it for you, except in the minds of those who are desperate to deny the existence of freedom of speech.

Again Aussie, you merely demonstrate your own inability to comprehend.

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Reply #425 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:38pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

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Just post your definition, and if it is challenged, please......no 'buts.'

The right to say something you might not like.

Okay.

Step 1. By 'Aussie.'

Can I say what you might not like here?

Step 2. By freediver.

No, that is not part of 'freedom of speech.' You can only say here what I allow.

Step 3. By 'Aussie.'

How jolly. There we have an exception to your notion (one I accept) which is clearly no longer one of 'freedom of speech.' So.....let's have your definition which takes into account those three 'steps.'

Cease with the very obvious evasion and 'dazzle us with your blinding intellect,' freediver.

Let's have your definition which takes into account those three 'steps.'

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Reply #426 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

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Just post your definition, and if it is challenged, please......no 'buts.'

The right to say something you might not like.

Okay.

Step 1. By 'Aussie.'

Can I say what you might not like here?

Step 2. By freediver.

No, that is not part of 'freedom of speech.' You can only say here what I allow.

Step 3. By 'Aussie.'

How jolly. There we have an exception to your notion (one I accept) which is clearly no longer one of 'freedom of speech.' So.....let's have your definition which takes into account those three 'steps.'

Cease with the very obvious evasion and 'dazzle us with you blinding intellect,' freediver.

Let's have your definition which takes into account those three 'steps.'

Isn't 3 a non sequitur? Both 1 and 2 are related to property rights and 3 does not follow because, well it has nothing to do with property but a subjective view on FoS and how it relates to the first two? Which it doesn't.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49203 At my desk.	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #427 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:49pm The original definition does. But if it helps, I concede defeat, for I cannot define something in a way that overcomes your skill at misunderstanding basic concepts.
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Reply #428 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:00pm

freediver wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

The original definition does. But if it helps, I concede defeat, for I cannot define something in a way that overcomes your skill at misunderstanding basic concepts.

I'll mark that down....not as a win...........instead ~ I'll regard that as an example of how very shallow your views are, and how dismissively you deal with anyone who challenges your narrow views which are pretty obsessive. You are good at the questions, and bloody lousy at the answers.

Let the record show that freediver was unable to define Freedom of Speech which included allowance for his capacity to curtail it in his back yard, here.

I can totally understand why. He seems not to.

There is no such absolute thing as Freedom of Speech.

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Reply #429 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 7:53am

Setanta wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

cods wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

I 'get' that Setanta. No problem. All I am asking is that freediver define this thing ~ freedom of speech ~ he has been defending. On the last occasion he made a trivial attempt.....there was a 'but.'

Yeah, that was to Cods, she thinks FD should allow her to call FD a M.or.on here and that the filter is an abridgement of her FoS. Maybe you could have a word with her about i

not quiet.... I was suggesting to R.B.. in reply to his comment

[quote author=red baron] Freedom of speech is in full flight on this site Aussie. It is just you who has his own 'lawyerised', convoluted view on things.

why dont you try reading everything... then you wouldnt look like you are waiting to pounce.on anything and everything.

how is the crawling to fd going???.... Roll Eyes

I don't know cods, you did respond to that but your reply was "have you tried calling someone the M word by any chance?" It doesn't matter, if FD doesn't want the word used here on his property, well... Tough titties. I can assure you I'm calling it like I see it. I have no reason to crawl, there is nothing I want from him. Perhaps you have something in mind? Spit it out.

edit: Perhaps you think I want to mod or something? Not on your life. Perhaps not get banned? I've never even been warned on any forum I've been on in 20 years.
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well you see not everyone sees this FREEDOM OF SPEECH in the same context you and fd do...

I say there is no such thing as fos...because where ever you go it has strings attached as you have pointed out in your own home we all have those strings we can apply..

yet some seem to think THEY WOULD RATHER LIKE TO DIE FOR IT....whatever it is they think they have... Roll Eyes

it all come down to interpretation..just like the Bible...to each his own...

I am all for STRINGS..I cant imagine a world without them to be honest......I would like to think some strings dont have to be spelt out...

like bullying someone with nasty unkind names making their life full of pain...

what ever happened to

common decency???..

"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

where did that all go????>...

I have just been banned set so watch it??..a first for me...so dont press your luck.. lol...I was being mean when I lumped you with fd...I will probably get my second ban now.

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Reply #431 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 8:22am

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 7:54am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

There is no such absolute thing as Freedom of Speech.

oh god isnt that what I have been saying all along????

arggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Exactly, everything has its limits. Every action has a reaction.

We are yet to get freedom of speech, without consequences.

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Reply #432 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 8:29am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 7:54am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

There is no such absolute thing as Freedom of Speech.

oh god isnt that what I have been saying all along????

arggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Exactly, everything has its limits. Every action has a reaction.

We are yet to get freedom of speech, without consequences.

in the case of Charlie its the consequence that abhor us isnt it??....so futile why was it so hard to avoid??..

if we never saw another ugly cartoon .. aka pickerings....would it really make a huge difference to anyones life?????......

some seem to think it would....I feel sorry for them

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Reply #434 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 9:08am

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 8:22am:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 7:54am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

There is no such absolute thing as Freedom of Speech.

oh god isnt that what I have been saying all along????

arggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Exactly, everything has its limits. Every action has a reaction.

We are yet to get freedom of speech, without consequences.

in the case of Charlie its the consequence that abhor us isnt it??....so futile why was it so hard to avoid??..

if we never saw another ugly cartoon .. aka pickerings....would it really make a huge difference to anyones life?????......

some seem to think it would....I feel sorry for them

Cods you have been asked many times to suggest the likely consequences of us adopting your strategy of spineless appeasement. Your only response has been that you are incapable of putting any thought into it. I guarantee you it would be a step backwards, which is precisely why the civilised world is rallying behind Charlie Hebdo. Your suggestion is no less stupid than standing by while Nazis drag the Jews away and assuming it will all be peace and flowers once that is sorted.

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