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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #45 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 6:56pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 7:05am:

It seems that freediver and his cohorts are not prepared to go to the mosque and express their anger, so they're not taking freedom of speech too seriously.

They're appeasers.

How far will they go to appease the Muslim extremists?

How far are they backing away from free speech in order to save their own sorry asses?

Go to the mosque boys!!! Today.

Good propaganda, Comrade. Just don't let anyone know that the conservatives have been battling Islam for over a decade. Do we "progressives" have the skills to cover this truth up? Lucky we have you as one of our main agitprop writers. This is progress.

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Reply #46 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 7:05am:

It seems that freediver and his cohorts are not prepared to go to the mosque and express their anger, so they're not taking freedom of speech too seriously.
They're appeasers.
How far will they go to appease the Muslim extremists?
How far are they backing away from free speech in order to save their own sorry asses?
Go to the mosque boys!!! Today.

I like the crusade you are venturing into. On what basis do you make your statement, is your crystal ball working, mine is slowing down so I can actually read what others write then respond, you appear to have that all back to front. Why would any intelligent person want to visit a mosque, what is in there except smelly feet, they don't even wear shoes.
Why do you state that others are appeasing anyone, you must know more that others, "you are all mighty".

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Reply #47 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:41pm

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As for the west, well! they've had their hour in the sun, it's time for change, as we are now seeing. I don't really care if the west falls, it's their own fault for continuing with their colonialism and greed , they've had it coming.

Dame pansi,from the THREAD,

AMERICA

That is Dame pansi mind. said it right there

Used freedon of speech to let us see what he thinks, Grin

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Reply #48 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

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if it was in danger [ meaning FofS] the boys should go to France or Belgium...where a lot of people are now living in fear because of their version of F of S..

What other versions are there cods?

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Besides, I have no real fight with religion I just like to have petty stabs from time to time, but I would never agree to publishing really insulting cartoons of any god, that goes below the belt in my opinion
It's one thing to make fun of religions, quite another to be totally offensive.

So Pansi, writing to a Catholic church and accusing them of protecting pedophiles is OK, but a Muhammed cartoon is too offensive for you? What is the difference, other than Muslims threatening to kill you? Seems to me you are quite happy to throw out insults, but only after other people have secured your right to do so on your behalf. You have no principles at all. You do not refrain from insult on principle, but only out of fear or convenience.

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and we dont want socks on this thread if you dont mind...its called I draw a line FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

Where do you draw the line cods?

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The right to free speech was lost years ago

How?

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However n our society there are some who are allowed more freedom of speech and expression that others.

Who?

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If a person is to the far right and wants to protest about immigration being to lax etc, they want a peaceful protest to have their voices heard, Stiff, it won't happen in our free country.
If on the other hand you belong to the far left, are muslim, or some other green cause or just weird, you are allowed a great deal more tolerance and get less hassle than others.
What is disappointing is even telling a joke that offends someone is no longer allowed, no more Irish jokes, sad.

Sounds like your little fantasy to me.

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As someone else wrote above, fight back. That is easier said than done, if we fight back and print or draw racist or anti religious depictions, you go directly to jail, do not pass go.

What planet are you on?

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look down on me for thinking it is totally stupid to print a cartoon that will end up KILLING people....

Cods, if you incessantly post stupid crap, it is inevitable that this will happen.

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do you think the violence IS OVER b ecause you stand on your toilet and tell them you will stand up for FREEDOM OF CARTOON DRAWING.???

Cods do you think the violence is over because you spinelessly appease?

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so the good people of France and Belgium now cowering in their homes wondering whos next

No cods, they are out in the street exercising their freedom of speech. You are the only one cowering.

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a RARE moment in time...what a joke you are....

Cods longy is right on this one. There is a rarely such a clear-cut case of oppression vs freedom, and it is truly saddening how many people are so eager to choose oppression.

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lets see you call these extremists DIMWITTED to their faces we have a ffew in this country you wont have far to look for them.. lets see bwave longy who wouldnt dream of sitting on his couch....and telling a widow what he thinks of her.. but not telling murdering fanatics to their faces what he thinks of them

Sounds like Pansi giving the Church a piece of her mind but cowering from the Muslims.

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I dont mind you being bwave I dont really but when
all of the huffing and puffing is done behind a computer.

You are right that it doesn't take much guts to do this anonymously, so why are you and pansi cowering from behind a computer? There is no chance this will affect you, but you are already running scared.

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IT IS ABOUT INSULTING SOMEONES BELIEFS.....ITS ABOUT BEING THREATENED WITH DEATH..

It is about cods cheering on the terrorists who are doing the threatening. It is about pansi and cods trying to pass off their spineless appeasement as a principled stance against insulting people.

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Reply #49 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:37pm

I think Cods is getting impressed with the radical strain of Islam, and is getting shaken up by those radical elements through the media reports to respond here as an unashamed coward, with a shade of the stockholm syndrome, given how she will bend and accomodate ISLAMO BULLIES

one of the saddest things ive seen here on ozpolitics, Sad

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Reply #50 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:42pm

Svengali wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Resolute wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

And yet again the appeasers are happy to invoke their right to freedom of speech, and of course their support for murders, whilst remaining comfortable and safe in their own opinionated little world.

and we dont want socks on this thread if you dont mind...its called I draw a line FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

what support are your referring to in particular???>..

not the bit where we prefer 17 people hadnt been sacrificed for a cartoon.....?

No cods, not 'sacrificed for a cartoon'...MURDERED because of a cartoon.

Perhaps they had a death wish?

Or perhaps they wanted to express themselves..under French Law??

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Reply #51 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 6:38am:

Islam do not like their messiah being ridiculed....
why that has anything to do with freedom of speech also escapes me.

Could someone with a lot of patience please volunteer to explain this to cods, seeing as she went to the trouble of starting the thread on freedom of speech (then posted this in another thread).

While we are at it, here is another mind-numbingly stupid comment from cods about freedom of speech:

cods wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

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Fox News and Andrew Bolt owned by the same man - Murdoch.

Fox News apologises for terror pundit’s ‘Birmingham totally Muslim’ comments

is that going against his FREEDOM OF SPEECH rights do you think?

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #52 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 11:55pm I cans see Cod's point that it's not very nice to offend somebody's religion, however, to say things like "they had it coming" is rather ridiculous and a real kick in the nuts to all those who have fought and died for the freedoms that we are trying to hold onto today.
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Reply #54 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:35am

freediver wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

[quote]if it was in danger [ meaning FofS]
Nasus:

[quote]The right to free speech was lost years ago

How?

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However n our society there are some who are allowed more freedom of speech and expression that others.

Who?

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If a person is to the far right and wants to protest about immigration being to lax etc, they want a peaceful protest to have their voices heard, Stiff, it won't happen in our free country.
If on the other hand you belong to the far left, are muslim, or some other green cause or just weird, you are allowed a great deal more tolerance and get less hassle than others.
What is disappointing is even telling a joke that offends someone is no longer allowed, no more Irish jokes, sad.

Sounds like your little fantasy to me.

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As someone else wrote above, fight back. That is easier said than done, if we fight back and print or draw racist or anti religious depictions, you go directly to jail, do not pass go.

What planet are you on?

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Which domestic laws relate to freedom of opinion and expression?

There is no Commonwealth legislation enshrining a general right to freedom of expression.

The High Court has inferred a freedom of political communication primarily from sections 7 and 24 of the Constitution. These provisions require that members of the Parliament be 'directly chosen by the people'. The High Court found that for this to be an informed choice, there must be free access to relevant political information. However, the Court has recognised that the implied freedom can be limited, or burdened, but only by laws that are reasonably appropriate and adapted to serving a legitimate end in a manner which is compatible with Australia's system of representative and responsible government. The freedom has been inferred by the court in declaring invalid Commonwealth laws that prohibited the broadcasting of political material in the lead-up to elections and obliged broadcasters to provide free advertising time to political parties during an election period. The right has also been held to allow the distribution in a public place of pamphlets alleging corruption by named police officers.

Restrictions

Some restrictions on freedom of expression exist. For example, the Criminal Code Act 1995 contains offences relating to urging by force or violence the overthrow of the Constitution or the lawful authority of the Government. The Criminal Code also contains offences relating to the use of a telecommunications carriage service in a way which is intentionally menacing, harassing or offensive, and using a carriage service to communicate content which is menacing, harassing or offensive.

Existing laws on the prohibition of advocacy of hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination

The Racial Discrimination Act 1975 makes it unlawful to do an act reasonably likely to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or group if the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the person or group."

If you actually read the Act, you will get the message. We have no freedom of speech other than in general. No more jokes or cartoons that may offend based on race or religion.
In answer to your question "what planet am I on" the third one from the sun. I ask you, what rock are you hiding under, we lost our so called right to freedom of speech, such as it was years ago. Try making a religious or racial slur, go straight to jail.

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Reply #55 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:41am

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:13am:

I HAVE TRIED TO CONVINCE YOU YOU STIFLE MY FREEDOM ON SPEECH ON HERE......

Cods posting idiotic comments like this would not be so bad if you did not repeat them ad nauseum while ignoring the responses you get. Freedom of speech does not entitle you to compel someone else to publish your idiocy on their website. You have failed to convince me for the same reason you fail at everything else - you are wrong and incapable of understanding why.

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Reply #56 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:51am:

Cods thinks freedom of speech is something that is handed to you on a platter. No-one ever died for it. It is free, so you can discard it whenever you want. Then one day when you finally realise you want to say something that might offend someone, you ask nicely and they give it back.

and????????????..

you are extreme you know that dont you.....you are as unstable as the terrorists...I have begged for my speech freedom on ozpol.....and you twist it into personal abuse....all I want to do is call you the M word...do I have to threaten your life along with all those that live in your home???... is that really what you are driving me to do.... all because of YOUR VERSION OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH........

btw I think your version and the fanatics version of FREEDOM OF SPEECH are on a different scale..

go kick the beehive fd see if I care.....when someone else takes over this sorry forum they can then change the the rules cant they.. Tongue

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Reply #57 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:08am

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:13am:

I HAVE TRIED TO CONVINCE YOU YOU STIFLE MY FREEDOM ON SPEECH ON HERE......

Cods posting idiotic comments like this would not be so bad if you did not repeat them ad nauseum while ignoring the responses you get. Freedom of speech does not entitle you to compel someone else to publish your idiocy on their website. You have failed to convince me for the same reason you fail at everything else - you are wrong and incapable of understanding why.

well idiotic like appeasement you mean. Grin

how come you think FREEDOM of SPEECH can compel a terrorist to like what he says he will kill over..... then..

how come it doesnt work for you but you expect it to work for them?...

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Reply #59 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:16pm

Pansi's concept of freedom lost:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

I have lost nothing because I never wanted to publish crude cartoons about Muhammed or Jesus or any other prophet.

So tell us Pansi, at what point would you consider yourself to have lost something, and at what point would you actually stand up for your rights? Never? Better to let other people do it for you?

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