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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #450 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

Cods is simply incapable of maintaining, or even starting, a discussion about the likely consequences of adopting her spineless appeasement of terrorists. The best she can do is repeat herself. Appease terrorists, no dead cartoonists, stop thinking now.

Its a lost cause. People with principles and pride and even a moderate spine, understand the Charlie Hedbo reaction perfectly and it needs no explanation. Cowards and those without principles will not and can not understand it and never will. Luckily for all, the former are having sway.

cowards, lol. You dont understand cowardice nor bravery.

I suspect you have no idea of either term.

you are an academic, the closest you have ever come to physical confrontation like most of the blow hards on this forum was getting spanked by your parents decades ago yet you lecture others on cowardice.

you still don't define the term, do you? So until youa re willing to do so, just pretend you are a worlds expert on some other topic other than the three you already have claimed.

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Reply #451 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

Panther wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

A man who won't die for

something

is not fit to live. - Martin Luther King

how interesting...

a man who wont DIE for something
......wow.....

do you think martin luther king had a cartoon in mind when he said that???>........

I dont really think he did..... .

When MLK said
'something'
, I believe his meaning was it could be 'simply anything' anyone, through their own freedom of will & choice, it could be anything anyone so chooses to be worth enough to oneself to die for.

If that be a 'cartoon' or even a 'woman', & they freely chooses that, so be their will.....their choice.

http://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/crystal-ball--small.gifAnything more you need to know of the probable mindset of MLK, hunt up a clairvoyant, &
have a chat to the guy himself.......yourself.

you dont know it.. but you have SAID IT ALL..

......................I BELIEVE................................

each and everyone opf us has a different BELIEF...do you know we even see colour differently....

some as we know can see NO COLOUR

some as we know CAN SEE NO OTHER POINT OF VIEW BUT THEIR OWN..

its the way things are??..

if questions are never asked.........???????????...

if you daughter or son never said WHY daddy..

wouldnt you think there was something wrong with them??>....

so I asked a question....

you dont know any more about what MLKING had in his mind than I do...its our kind of FOS to make up our own minds......

all I am asking is... did MLK have horrible insulting anti American Negro cartoons to deal with.???...

you put a lot into what he thought by using him in your sig.. at least thats what I thought.....

if you place him in the shoes of the extremists at the time of his speech.....he may have been more explicit Roll Eyes

MLK was talking for more than just himself....you see he had walked in the shoes of every black person in AMerica...

he felt Black Equality was worth dying for in those years...me being white....and not American I really have no idea what he endured I can only guess.

these extremists are talking for many Muslims who find the insults.. more than insulting...
like a lot of American Negroes the see red when they hear the N word....I am not sure if there is a law against it...but there surely is a common decency law against it....

unless of course people are a FOS freak.

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Reply #453 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:43pm

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

I don't see what Martin Luther King has to do with the bearing on this topic, his quote is just words used by someone with a very large political agenda. King in my humble opinion had no idea what freedom of speech was all about, all he used his speech for was to challenge the establishment and incite his followers, all 2 of them to do his biding. There are better examples of freedom of speech figure heads, with a much more worthy cause.
I am wondering having returned from my 3 day "into the wilderness time" that is someone 50 years from now read this forum post, if they would have any clue what the hell we wrote about. Back and fro, many losing the plot and cowards cower in the corner, who miss the whole plot, if there ever was one. Cool

you do know he was a BLACK AMERICAN who lived through Americas own version of apartheid dont you?...

I bet the hell he did know what FOS was..... and what he didnt have.....

btw d.ryder uses it in his sig....very apt for this topic a person who was belittled and degraded through out his life...who watched as his fellow man was insulted day in day out.. by a special group who happened to be WHITE in colour.....therefore superior.....

why are you concerned for those 50 years from now.... Roll Eyes

you obviously havent a clue what was said..52 years ago.didnt make any impression on you whatever

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #455 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

[quote author=cods link=1421614428/437#437 date=1422233271]
A man who won't die for

something

is not fit to live. - Martin Luther King
[/i][/font][/size]

you dont know it.. but you have SAID IT ALL..

......................I BELIEVE................................
each and everyone opf us has a different BELIEF...do you know we even see colour differently....
some as we know can see NO COLOUR
some as we know CAN SEE NO OTHER POINT OF VIEW BUT THEIR OWN..
its the way things are??..
if questions are never asked.........???????????...
if you daughter or son never said WHY daddy..
wouldnt you think there was something wrong with them??>....
so I asked a question....
you dont know any more about what MLKING had in his mind than I do...its our kind of FOS to make up our own minds......
all I am asking is... did MLK have horrible insulting anti American Negro cartoons to deal with.???...
you put a lot into what he thought by using him in your sig.. at least thats what I thought.....
if you place him in the shoes of the extremists at the time of his speech.....he may have been more explicit Roll Eyes

MLK was talking for more than just himself....you see he had walked in the shoes of every black person in AMerica...
he felt Black Equality was worth dying for in those years...me being white....and not American I really have no idea what he endured I can only guess.
these extremists are talking for many Muslims who find the insults.. more than insulting...
like a lot of American Negroes the see red when they hear the N word....I am not sure if there is a law against it...but there surely is a common decency law against it....
unless of course people are a FOS freak.

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WRONG: You are now looking to weasel out of your position.
A coward is a coward, no matter what colour he or she thinks red is.
Anyone can in this free country believe whatever they like, that is why some people needed to die to ensure that right of future generation to stand tall and proud.
Some people are so wishy washy that they change their point of view depending on what is being said.
Some people get angry because they are inferior, stand for nothing, bitch and moan about we are the minority and the down trodden. We don't actually want to work or share in the responsibilities, but we want equality, as lone as someone else will fight and die for it.
Talking about the American Negro, the black, they want a free lunch, tell them to go out and work for it, as so many brave Negros have done before them. It's not about colour, it's about who you are and what your belief is.
Some even find it insulting, or objectionable that someone actually does not agree with them.
People need to know where another stands, not now, but always. They need to know they are rock solid, their beliefs are not Negotiable.

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"I may not believe in what you say, however I will defend unto death your right to say it". Attributed to Voltaire. Freedom of speech a right we must regain.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #457 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:00pm freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:42pm: Cods what do you think would be the likely consequence if we all adopted your strategy of spineless appeasement of terrorists? Have you put any thought into it, beyond 'no dead cartoonists'? cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:59pm: . That's the extent of it, eh?
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Reply #458 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

I don't see what Martin Luther King has to do with the bearing on this topic, his quote is just words used by someone with a very large political agenda. King in my humble opinion had no idea what freedom of speech was all about, all he used his speech for was to challenge the establishment and incite his followers, all 2 of them to do his biding. There are better examples of freedom of speech figure heads, with a much more worthy cause.
I am wondering having returned from my 3 day "into the wilderness time" that is someone 50 years from now read this forum post, if they would have any clue what the hell we wrote about. Back and fro, many losing the plot and cowards cower in the corner, who miss the whole plot, if there ever was one. Cool

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you do know he was a BLACK AMERICAN who lived through Americas own version of apartheid dont you?...
I bet the hell he did know what FOS was..... and what he didnt have.....
btw d.ryder uses it in his sig....very apt for this topic a person who was belittled and degraded through out his life...who watched as his fellow man was insulted day in day out.. by a special group who happened to be WHITE in colour.....therefore superior.....
why are you concerned for those 50 years from now.... Roll Eyes

you obviously havent a clue what was said..52 years ago.didnt make any impression on you whatever

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Martin Luther King was an American, I know who he was. He agitated, he was full of hatred, he cared not for America, he cared for himself. "I have a dream", what twaddle, self serving.
Some blacks, though I would not use that term, thought of themselves as, "oh my, oh dear, we are the minority who feel as though the evil whites are exploiting us" . The American negro as the Australian Aborigine have the same opportunities as everyone else, they just needed to get off their collective backsides to show that. The current President of the United State scan attest to that.
I have a very good understanding of what was said years ago, by what they wrote, and what they felt. I was there 52 years ago, and still try to find meaning in what was said then and now. Don't judge me by your standards, thanks.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #459 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:02pm

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

[quote author=cods link=1421614428/437#437 date=1422233271]
A man who won't die for

something

is not fit to live. - Martin Luther King
[/i][/font][/size]

you dont know it.. but you have SAID IT ALL..

......................I BELIEVE................................
each and everyone opf us has a different BELIEF...do you know we even see colour differently....
some as we know can see NO COLOUR
some as we know CAN SEE NO OTHER POINT OF VIEW BUT THEIR OWN..
its the way things are??..
if questions are never asked.........???????????...
if you daughter or son never said WHY daddy..
wouldnt you think there was something wrong with them??>....
so I asked a question....
you dont know any more about what MLKING had in his mind than I do...its our kind of FOS to make up our own minds......
all I am asking is... did MLK have horrible insulting anti American Negro cartoons to deal with.???...
you put a lot into what he thought by using him in your sig.. at least thats what I thought.....
if you place him in the shoes of the extremists at the time of his speech.....he may have been more explicit Roll Eyes

MLK was talking for more than just himself....you see he had walked in the shoes of every black person in AMerica...
he felt Black Equality was worth dying for in those years...me being white....and not American I really have no idea what he endured I can only guess.
these extremists are talking for many Muslims who find the insults.. more than insulting...
like a lot of American Negroes the see red when they hear the N word....I am not sure if there is a law against it...but there surely is a common decency law against it....
unless of course people are a FOS freak.

-------------------------

WRONG: You are now looking to weasel out of your position.
A coward is a coward, no matter what colour he or she thinks red is.
Anyone can in this free country believe whatever they like, that is why some people needed to die to ensure that right of future generation to stand tall and proud.
Some people are so wishy washy that they change their point of view depending on what is being said.
Some people get angry because they are inferior, stand for nothing, bitch and moan about we are the minority and the down trodden. We don't actually want to work or share in the responsibilities, but we want equality, as lone as someone else will fight and die for it.
Talking about the American Negro, the black, they want a free lunch, tell them to go out and work for it, as so many brave Negros have done before them. It's not about colour, i's about who you are and what your belief is.
Some even find it insulting, or objectionable that someone actually does not agree with them.

really< what ever makes you think that

?
People need to know where another stands, not now, but always. They need to know they are rock solid, their beliefs are not Negotiable.

well now I know why you got 3 days...your freedom of speech isnt quite the same level as FDs I guess...

maybe a week coming your way.

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Reply #460 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:11pm

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

[quote author=cods link=1421614428/451#451 date=1422254119][quote author=DreamRyderX link=1421614428/441#441 date=1422237563][quote author=cods link=1421614428/437#437 date=1422233271]
A man who won't die for

something

is not fit to live. - Martin Luther King
[/i][/font][/size]

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well now I know why you got 3 days...your freedom of speech isnt quite the same level as FDs I guess...

maybe a week coming your way.

GOT you, you now need a new person to focus your crap on. You have used up all you silly lives on arguing with all the other members, they gave up on you, called you whatever names they did, now you see fresh pickings. I stupidly tried to explain what freedom of speech was when I come along, NOW it's me you want to pick a fight with. Give it up, I concur with all other posts directed at yourself, live well. THE END
"A coward dies many times, the valiant only tasted death but once."

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Reply #461 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 7:54am

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

I don't see what Martin Luther King has to do with the bearing on this topic, his quote is just words used by someone with a very large political agenda. King in my humble opinion had no idea what freedom of speech was all about, all he used his speech for was to challenge the establishment and incite his followers, all 2 of them to do his biding. There are better examples of freedom of speech figure heads, with a much more worthy cause.
I am wondering having returned from my 3 day "into the wilderness time" that is someone 50 years from now read this forum post, if they would have any clue what the hell we wrote about. Back and fro, many losing the plot and cowards cower in the corner, who miss the whole plot, if there ever was one. Cool

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you do know he was a BLACK AMERICAN who lived through Americas own version of apartheid dont you?...
I bet the hell he did know what FOS was..... and what he didnt have.....
btw d.ryder uses it in his sig....very apt for this topic a person who was belittled and degraded through out his life...who watched as his fellow man was insulted day in day out.. by a special group who happened to be WHITE in colour.....therefore superior.....
why are you concerned for those 50 years from now.... Roll Eyes

you obviously havent a clue what was said..52 years ago.didnt make any impression on you whatever

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Martin Luther King was an American, I know who he was. He agitated, he was full of hatred, he cared not for America, he cared for himself. "I have a dream", what twaddle, self serving.
Some blacks, though I would not use that term, thought of themselves as, "oh my, oh dear, we are the minority who feel as though the evil whites are exploiting us" . The American negro as the Australian Aborigine have the same opportunities as everyone else, they just needed to get off their collective backsides to show that. The current President of the United State scan attest to that.
I have a very good understanding of what was said years ago, by what they wrote, and what they felt. I was there 52 years ago, and still try to find meaning in what was said then and now. Don't judge me by your standards, thanks.

that just makes you sound like an idiot... and a racist one at that.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #462 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 8:04am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 7:54am:

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

nasus wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

I don't see what Martin Luther King has to do with the bearing on this topic, his quote is just words used by someone with a very large political agenda. King in my humble opinion had no idea what freedom of speech was all about, all he used his speech for was to challenge the establishment and incite his followers, all 2 of them to do his biding. There are better examples of freedom of speech figure heads, with a much more worthy cause.
I am wondering having returned from my 3 day "into the wilderness time" that is someone 50 years from now read this forum post, if they would have any clue what the hell we wrote about. Back and fro, many losing the plot and cowards cower in the corner, who miss the whole plot, if there ever was one. Cool

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you do know he was a BLACK AMERICAN who lived through Americas own version of apartheid dont you?...
I bet the hell he did know what FOS was..... and what he didnt have.....
btw d.ryder uses it in his sig....very apt for this topic a person who was belittled and degraded through out his life...who watched as his fellow man was insulted day in day out.. by a special group who happened to be WHITE in colour.....therefore superior.....
why are you concerned for those 50 years from now.... Roll Eyes

you obviously havent a clue what was said..52 years ago.didnt make any impression on you whatever

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Martin Luther King was an American, I know who he was. He agitated, he was full of hatred, he cared not for America, he cared for himself. "I have a dream", what twaddle, self serving.
Some blacks, though I would not use that term, thought of themselves as, "oh my, oh dear, we are the minority who feel as though the evil whites are exploiting us" . The American negro as the Australian Aborigine have the same opportunities as everyone else, they just needed to get off their collective backsides to show that. The current President of the United State scan attest to that.
I have a very good understanding of what was said years ago, by what they wrote, and what they felt. I was there 52 years ago, and still try to find meaning in what was said then and now. Don't judge me by your standards, thanks.

that just makes you sound like an idiot... and a racist one at that.

Well we have another intellectual giant. WE also have here another person who is unable to read, failed in comprehending even simple text.
All the person can come up with as he has no argument is to call someone a racist, and pass some simplistic remark calling the other person an idiot.
Back to school for you my friend, and next time read what is actually written, then express your thoughts and give argument if you disagree, don't call someone else an idiot, when it is you who failed to read what was on the post.
Guess after calling someone an idiot, you must feel superior, keep up the good work. School starts again today, off you go.

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Reply #464 - Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 8:41am

thank you FD for trying to save this topic...

talking of Freedom of Speech..

it is very good news to here Peter Grest will be coming home...when so called govts have the power to Jail someone because they dare to tell the truth about the govt... that is my idea of gross interference with FoS..

but stopping an insulting cartoon does not and never will impact on my idea of FoS....

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