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Reply #465 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:49am
 
Thanks cods, this seems OK,

I was sure I was seeing new posts under both topics today, now seems OK.

Weird, maybe I need new glasses. No I havent had a drink!

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Reply #466 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:52am
 
So you don't think he deserved to be executed, cods.
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Reply #467 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:54am
 
cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:41am:
thank you FD for trying to save this topic...

talking of Freedom of Speech..

it is very good news to here Peter Grest will be coming home...when so called govts have the power to Jail someone because they dare to tell the truth about the govt... that is my idea of gross interference with FoS..

but stopping an insulting cartoon does not and never will impact on my idea of  FoS....



With all due respect cods, that's why is is, & will always only be, 'your idea of FoS'

Don't get me wrong, you have the absolute right to your own opinions, but reality starts where all personal opinion gently falls to the wayside.


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"When the People fear government there is Tyranny;
When government fears the People there is Freedom & Liberty!"

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Reply #468 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:55am
 
Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:52am:
So you don't think he deserved to be executed, cods.



you talking about FD I think thats a bit extreme!!!!!


red.. you might have got confused by imsparticus.. he seemed to be double posting all over the place.. mayheb its him thats been drinking...

anyway I now look forward to your contribution....or were you interested in the gun thread?
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Reply #469 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:58am
 
Panther wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:54am:
cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:41am:
thank you FD for trying to save this topic...

talking of Freedom of Speech..

it is very good news to here Peter Grest will be coming home...when so called govts have the power to Jail someone because they dare to tell the truth about the govt... that is my idea of gross interference with FoS..

but stopping an insulting cartoon does not and never will impact on my idea of  FoS....



With all due respect cods, that's why is is, & will always only be, 'your idea fo FoS'

Don't get me wrong, you have the absolute right to your own opinions, but reality starts where all personal opinion gently falls to the wayside.





well thank you.... but if you take the time to read some of the abuse I have had.,.


you would know that NO I DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY OPINION....on thsi forum anyway.. I have even been banned for the first time ever.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its a fine line I guess.
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Reply #470 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 9:26am
 
cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:58am:
Panther wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:54am:
cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:41am:
thank you FD for trying to save this topic...

talking of Freedom of Speech..

it is very good news to here Peter Grest will be coming home...when so called govts have the power to Jail someone because they dare to tell the truth about the govt... that is my idea of gross interference with FoS..

but stopping an insulting cartoon does not and never will impact on my idea of  FoS....



With all due respect cods, that's why is is, & will always only be, 'your idea fo FoS'

Don't get me wrong, you have the absolute right to your own opinions, but reality starts where all personal opinion gently falls to the wayside.





well thank you.... but if you take the time to read some of the abuse I have had.,.


you would know that NO I DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY OPINION....on thsi forum anyway.. I have even been banned for the first time ever.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its a fine line I guess.


It can be, but I ask you to consider this.

Just like it may have taken a long time to develop & nurture an opinion, one should never be dissuaded from that opinion if after all things considered one knows they're absolutely right.......

Absent that absolute conviction, always be open to consider another point of view, until it's proven itself incorrect......

BTW.......being banned once can be a shock at first, but it's not until after 5 or 6 times do you get used to it..... Been there, done that.....
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Reply #471 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:26am
 
Sorry, you must be a different cods. I was reaching out to the cods that believes it's justified for muslims to kill journalists/westerners/christians/jews/other muslims/snowmen etc when their widdle feelings get hurt.
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Reply #472 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:41am
 
Panther wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 9:26am:
cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:58am:
Panther wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:54am:
cods wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:41am:
thank you FD for trying to save this topic...

talking of Freedom of Speech..

it is very good news to here Peter Grest will be coming home...when so called govts have the power to Jail someone because they dare to tell the truth about the govt... that is my idea of gross interference with FoS..

but stopping an insulting cartoon does not and never will impact on my idea of  FoS....



With all due respect cods, that's why is is, & will always only be, 'your idea fo FoS'

Don't get me wrong, you have the absolute right to your own opinions, but reality starts where all personal opinion gently falls to the wayside.





well thank you.... but if you take the time to read some of the abuse I have had.,.


you would know that NO I DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY OPINION....on thsi forum anyway.. I have even been banned for the first time ever.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its a fine line I guess.


It can be, but I ask you to consider this.

Just like it may have taken a long time to develop & nurture an opinion, one should never be dissuaded from that opinion if after all things considered one knows they're absolutely right.......

Absent that absolute conviction, always be open to consider another point of view, until it's proven itself incorrect......

BTW.......being banned once can be a shock at first, but it's not until after 5 or 6 times do you get used to it..... Been there, done that.....




with age comes wisdom one knows the difference in giving in..and abdicating....

you will find...that when you have counselling to solve a problem......doesnt matter what it is......

there is always two sides..

and both sides have to give just a little......to solve the problem...

its never ever down to one side giving up all.. and the other side winning all....

I wasnt so miffed at being banned... as I didnt understand what it was about....I was having a run in with longweekend... [ who doesnt]...but he was attacking myself.. so I hit back...wrong ok.. but a warning would have been nice as I understand a lot of people get warnings....however...I can only put it down to longweekend and I might be being unfair so who knows..

I do think just about everything has at least two points of view....like /dislike if you like.. Roll Eyes

and unless you can discuss them without the abuse....how can you ever persuade someone to your way of thinking????

when you see the way some folks can vote... you know how they can be persuaded for better or worse....at the drop of a hat......

so we mustnt stifle Fos by being rude and objectionable...a lot of people have been driven away from forums like this.. because some do not respect their rights to speak up.... yet claim terrorists are interfering with THEIR FOS>.

make sense to you?.. doesnt to me.

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Reply #473 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:51am
 
Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:26am:
Sorry, you must be a different cods. I was reaching out to the cods that believes it's justified for muslims to kill journalists/westerners/christians/jews/other muslims/snowmen etc when their widdle feelings get hurt.




you didnt say that I mentioned Peter Greste to m y knowledge he wasnt threatened with DEATH..

would help if you said what you mean and not expect someone to read your mind.. I dont do that before lunch time...

who said its justified for terrorists..

there by goes my argument

you are twisting something to fit in with your perceived threat to your  fos...

if only stopping a cartoon was that simple.....

if we knew that standing up to these terrorists would stop the killing....

did printing the cartoon save those journos???

nope.....did drawing the cartoons kill those journos nope as far as I know it had not a thing to do with it....

I know maybe you dont..

that we are dealing with fanatics.. people who will die for their cause...no matter how stupid it looks to the outside they dont care......

now this ISIL group are fighting for the world to become Muslim..... they are not fighting per se.. to stop cartoons.......that is another group....of fanatics....

ISIL must by now be running out of money... this is what they want for the journos...although I am sure most of us know they will never be released no matter what is paid....and no we dont pay ransoms and no I would never think thats was the right way to go either.

I do not put a ransom on the same page as being asked not to draw insulting cartoons....

I will leave that for you..
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Reply #474 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 1:32pm
 
okay, it's the same cods.
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Reply #475 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 4:29pm
 
Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 1:32pm:
okay, it's the same cods.



pity we cannot say the same about you how many handles have you had.. are you game to put them up..I think its creepy when people keep changing their ID without saying Y... must have a reason I always think...

at least you can count on me.
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Reply #476 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 5:15pm
 
Can count on you to bitch, moan, cry, tattle-tale and generally carry on like a good sort in front of the mods.
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Reply #477 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 5:58pm
 
These days, pretty much every story is really the same story:

In Galway, at the National University of Ireland, a speaker who attempts to argue against the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) programme against Israel is shouted down with cries of ‘smacking Zionist, smacking pricks… Get the bugger off our campus.’
In California, Mozilla’s chief executive is forced to resign because he once made a political donation in support of the pre-revisionist definition of marriage.
At Westminster, the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee declares that the BBC should seek ‘special clearance’ before it interviews climate sceptics, such as fringe wacko extremists like former Chancellor Nigel Lawson.
In Massachusetts, Brandeis University withdraws its offer of an honorary degree to a black feminist atheist human rights campaigner from Somalia.
In London, a multitude of liberal journalists and artists responsible for everything from Monty Python to Downton Abbey sign an open letter in favour of the first state restraints on the British press in three and a quarter centuries.
And in Canberra the government is planning to repeal Section 18C — whoa, don’t worry, not all of it, just three or four adjectives; or maybe only two, or whatever it’s down to by now, after what Gay Alcorn in the Age described as the ongoing debate about ‘where to strike the balance between free speech in a democracy and protection against racial abuse in a multicultural society’.
I heard a lot of that kind of talk during my battles with the Canadian ‘human rights’ commissions a few years ago: of course, we all believe in free speech, but it’s a question of how you ‘strike the balance’, where you ‘draw the line’… which all sounds terribly reasonable and Canadian, and apparently Australian, too. But in reality the point of free speech is for the stuff that’s over the line, and strikingly unbalanced. If free speech is only for polite persons of mild temperament within government-policed parameters, it isn’t free at all. So screw that.

But I don’t really think that many people these days are genuinely interested in ‘striking the balance’; they’ve drawn the line and they’re increasingly unashamed about which side of it they stand. What all the above stories have in common, whether nominally about Israel, gay marriage, climate change, Islam, or even freedom of the press, is that one side has cheerfully swapped that apocryphal Voltaire quote about disagreeing with what you say but defending to the death your right to say it for the pithier Ring Lardner line: ‘“Shut up,” he explained.’

A generation ago, progressive opinion at least felt obliged to pay lip service to the Voltaire shtick. These days, nobody’s asking you to defend yourself to the death: a mildly supportive retweet would do. But even that’s further than most of those in the academy, the arts, the media are prepared to go. As Erin Ching, a student at 60-grand-a-year Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania, put it in her college newspaper the other day: ‘What really bothered me is the whole idea that at a liberal arts college we need to be hearing a diversity of opinion.’ Yeah, who needs that? There speaks the voice of a generation: celebrate diversity by enforcing conformity.
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At Brandeis University, we are learning the hierarchy of the new multiculti caste system. In theory, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is everything the identity-group fetishists dig: female, atheist, black, immigrant. If conservative white males were to silence a secular women’s rights campaigner from Somalia, it would be proof of the Republican party’s ‘war on women’, or the encroaching Christian fundamentalist theocracy, or just plain old Andrew Boltian racism breaking free of its redoubt at the Herald Sun to rampage as far as the eye can see. But when the snivelling white male who purports to be president of Brandeis (one Frederick Lawrence) does it out of deference to Islam, Miss Hirsi Ali’s blackness washes off her like a bad dye job on a telly news anchor. White feminist Germaine Greer can speak at Brandeis because, in one of the more whimsical ideological evolutions even by dear old Germaine’s standards, Ms Greer feels that clitoridectomies add to the rich tapestry of ‘cultural identity’: ‘One man’s beautification is another man’s mutilation,’ as she puts it. But black feminist Hirsi Ali, who was on the receiving end of ‘one man’s mutilation’ and lives under death threats because she was boorish enough to complain about it, is too ‘hateful’ to be permitted to speak. In the internal contradictions of multiculturalism, Islam trumps all: race, gender, secularism, everything. So, in the interests of multiculti sensitivity, pampered upper-middle-class trusty-fundychildren of entitlement are pronouncing a Somali refugee beyond the pale and signing up to Islamic strictures on the role of women.

That’s another reason why Gay Alcorn’s fretting over ‘striking the balance’ is so irrelevant. No matter where you strike it, the last unread nonagenarian white supremacist Xeroxing flyers in a shack off the Tanami Track will be way over the line, while, say, Sheikh Sharif Hussein’s lively sermon to an enthusiastic crowd at the Islamic Da’wah Centre of South Australia, calling on Allah to kill every last Buddhist and Hindu, will be safely inside it. One man’s decapitation is another man’s cultural validation, as Germaine would say.
[url]http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9187741/the-slow-death-of-free-spee
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Reply #478 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 11:05pm
 
Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 5:15pm:
Can count on you to bitch, moan, cry, tattle-tale and generally carry on like a good sort in front of the mods.




and what do you call yourself DOING>. how about your real id.. come on dare you what you got to be ashamed of???>.. at least poor old moaning me doesnt need to hide..

have you thought of that??.... Grin Grin Grin

I feel sorry for, people like you...you think telling lies about people makes you a BIG MAN.. personally it makes you look very lacking indeed..... very lacking,

being rude to others is the usual sign of someone with an inferiority complex of some kind. Grin Grin
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Reply #479 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 11:06pm
 
Soren if this forum alone is anything to go by... this so called FoS will only get worse..look at the mental state of those shouting my FoS down... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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