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Happy Lucky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1030 Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #510 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:21pm Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the repurcussions of that speech.
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Reply #511 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 10:28pm

cods wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

“The key element of its decision is its emphasis on the fact that ‘this was a public order case where the police had advised that significant public disorder and serious violence might ensue from the proposed visit,’” they explained.

Noam Chomsky said it perfectly:

"If you don't believe in free speech for people you despise, you don't believe in it at all"

The UK has vacillated, to the point of fearing violence in any form rather than protecting Liberty, a cornerstone feature of all Freedom, which is balanced precariously upon Free Speech, but balanced nevertheless.

All Liberty is in the crosshairs of the PC Crowd.

did she say how she feels when people march through her town with placards demands head off for infidels???...

for every person you despise there might be two who despise you.. Cheesy

Noam was a 'He', what his sexual preferences were you can research that if you wish.

"The threat or fear of violence should not become an excuse or justification for restricting freedom of speech" ..... Alan Dershowitz

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Reply #512 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the repurcussions of that speech.

But, as long as you are willing to accept the repercussions, if any, you are free to speak as you wish.

No matter where you live though, under whatever government on earth, you have absolute Freedom of Speech.....well, at least to speak once.......to say anything you wish about anything, or anyone.

Thereafter, you may not live to do it again, but you were able to do it at least once.

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Reply #513 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 10:56pm

There is no such thing as freedom of speech. It is an illusion; a figment; a machination to allow oppression of the masses when the establishment declares something outside the bounds of that freedom.

All the government or police has to do is to declare an issue, speakers or event a threat to public order and they can suppress FoS. Unfortunately they are quite right to do so because total freedom of speech corresponds to total anarchy.

True freedom of speech would leave people fighting in the streets.

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Reply #514 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:38am

Svengali wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 10:56pm:

There is no such thing as freedom of speech. It is an illusion; a figment; a machination to allow oppression of the masses when the establishment declares something outside the bounds of that freedom.

All the government or police has to do is to declare an issue, speakers or event a threat to public order and they can suppress FoS. Unfortunately they are quite right to do so because total freedom of speech corresponds to total anarchy.

True freedom of speech would leave people fighting in the streets.

Wow, you gotta get out more often.

Your life, wherever that might be, or might have been at one time, must have been under some heavy duty repressive totalitarian system for you to make those harsh statements.

That's very depressing.

I thank my God that I have always lived in places where a man, all men, had the right to be free, & life affected by conditions & statements like yours are totally unacceptable & non-existent.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #515 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:46am Society needs rules if it is going to operate without chaos. I don't think it's necessary to have a free for all opportunity to slander and insult certain groups or individuals.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #516 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:52am Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:38am: I thank my God that I have always lived in places where a man, all men, had the right to be free, & life affected by conditions & statements like yours are totally unacceptable & non-existent. You live in a place where there's no rules?
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Reply #517 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:55am

I hate any regime that looks to supress speech for supressions sake (take Labor for instance). Offending people should not in itself be grounds for supression of speech nor should it be grounds to punish the speaker. If i encourage violent acts against Jews for example, than i should reasonably expect repurcussions for that coersion. On the other hand, if i criticise Judaism or the cultual practices and governmetal policies of Israel i don't see a problem.

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Reply #518 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:57am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

Society needs rules if it is going to operate without chaos.

I don't think it's necessary to have a free for all opportunity to slander and insult certain groups or individuals.

Glad I don't live on your planet, because on mine those so thin skinned are doomed to shrivel up & die hard!

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Reply #519 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 6:00am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:52am:

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:38am:

I thank my God that I have always lived in places where a man, all men, had the right to be free, & life affected by conditions & statements like yours are totally unacceptable & non-existent.

You live in a place where there's no rules?

No, I've lived in places where the rules were made by wise men, men who understand that Freedom & Liberty is far, far, more important than being offended by trivial issues & words.

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Reply #520 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 6:04am

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:55am:

I hate any regime that looks to supress speech for supressions sake (take Labor for instance). Offending people should not in itself be grounds for supression of speech nor should it be grounds to punish the speaker.

If i encourage violent acts against Jews for example, than i should reasonably expect repurcussions for that coersion. On the other hand, if i criticise Judaism or the cultual practices and governmetal policies of Israel i don't see a problem.

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Exactly!!!

In short, that is exactly what free speech is all about.

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Reply #521 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:10am

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 6:00am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:52am:

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:38am:

I thank my God that I have always lived in places where a man, all men, had the right to be free, & life affected by conditions & statements like yours are totally unacceptable & non-existent.

You live in a place where there's no rules?

No, I've lived in places where the rules were made by wise men, men who understand that Freedom & Liberty is far, far, more important than being offended by trivial issues & words.

so if people call your children ugly cows...

you will fight to the death for their FREEDOM to say that?....

I would like to see that!!!! Roll Eyes

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Reply #522 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:19am

Panther wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

Society needs rules if it is going to operate without chaos.

I don't think it's necessary to have a free for all opportunity to slander and insult certain groups or individuals.

Glad I don't live on your planet, because on mine those so thin skinned are doomed to shrivel up & die hard!

it is interesting.. I am not allowed to call you the M word on here.....well I could spell it.m.o.r.o.n.

some thin skinned people on here get others BANNED..

isnt that also an attack on our FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

do you really think its ok for neighbours to shout obscenities at each other???...

can you imagine the forum if we all used sub language ? Roll Eyes

you refer to thin skinned.... Roll Eyes

when in reality it is society..

its how we expect people to treat us...

to expect respect

first we have to dish it out..

every society has rules......we take most of them for granted...

sadly over time a lot of decent rules have disappeared..now you are saying its ok for one group to abuse another via bad language... under the guise of FoS....sorry I dont buy that....ignorance doesnt do it for me.

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Happy Lucky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1030 Gender:	Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. Reply #523 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:25am You implied to the parents of the slain French journalists that they deserved to die. I think being called ugly cows pales in comparison.
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Reply #524 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:34am

Happy Lucky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

You implied to the parents of the slain French journalists that they deserved to die. I think being called ugly cows pales in comparison.

I presume you are referring that remark to myself...

if so I would like you to link me with that remark..

I dont like liars....so I presume the comment I made that said THEY DESERVED to die is on this thread.....thank you.. Angry

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