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Dr. Caligari
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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #60 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:17pm
 
There never has been freedom of speech and there never will be.

Currently freedom of speech is being used as a bludgeon against Muslims with the expected consequences.

Peaceful Muslims will be attacked by insane goons in the streets because Muslims have been targeted in slanderous campaigns of public denigration.

The effect will be the creation of more hostilities.
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Reply #61 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:39pm
 
So Pansi, writing to a Catholic church and accusing them of protecting pedophiles is OK,


Too bloody right it's ok, they have been found guilty of protecting pedophiles at the Royal Commission into child abuse. They have themselves admitted it. The Pope has admitted it.
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Reply #62 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:48pm
 
Dr. Caligari wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:17pm:
There never has been freedom of speech and there never will be.

Currently freedom of speech is being used as a bludgeon against Muslims with the expected consequences.

Peaceful Muslims will be attacked by insane goons in the streets because Muslims have been targeted in slanderous campaigns of public denigration.

The effect will be the creation of more hostilities.


Your statement is not really correct. Some years ago I will not date it freedom of speech as exercised by everyone and sundry. I could call you any number of names, relating to your country of birth, religion, in fact nothing was off the table. The term Jap, Wog, Jew, queer and thousands more were in everyday use. In every newspaper, cartoon, and publication that targeted the "fringe element" homosexuals in the main and hence few ever came out of the closet for FEAR of being stigmatised.

Re my post number 54, currently our version of what can be said is as legislated. It has nothing to do with individual groups, least of all muslims.
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"I may not believe in what you say, however I will defend unto death your right to say it". Attributed to Voltaire. Freedom of speech a right we must regain.
 
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Reply #63 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Pansi's concept of freedom lost:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
I have lost nothing because I never wanted to publish crude cartoons about Muhammed or Jesus or any other prophet.


So tell us Pansi, at what point would you consider yourself to have lost something, and at what point would you actually stand up for your rights? Never? Better to let other people do it for you?



I wouldn't have a clue at this point in time, but it's certainly not some cartoon offending Muhammad. To me it would have to be a lot more important than that. Why start a war over a cartoon? Pathetic.

I stand up for my rights, but I'm not standing up for your fight against Islam, that's your baby and I'm happy to let you have it.
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Reply #64 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:55pm
 
This is the nub of the matter Pansi:

When the Nazis (insert Islamofascists) came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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Reply #65 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:59pm
 
stryder wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:41pm:
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As for the west, well! they've had their hour in the sun, it's time for change, as we are now seeing. I don't really care if the west falls, it's their own fault for continuing with their colonialism and greed , they've had it coming.
Dame pansi,from the THREAD,
AMERICA


That is Dame pansi mind. said it right there

Used freedon of speech to let us see what he thinks,  Grin Grin Grin



That's right stryder. In reference to economic power. Do you have any idea that America's great empire is about to fall flat on its face? Do you even know that, or more importantly do you acknowledge it? Do you know why? Because of unrestricted greed, unfettered capitalism.

Yes, they had it coming.
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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #66 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:02pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:55pm:
This is the nub of the matter Pansi:

When the Nazis (insert Islamofascists) came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.




That's right bogey, only trouble is it's not Islam that's coming for you.

Why do you think Americans are hanging onto their weapons? not for a Muslim invasion.
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Reply #67 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:23pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:39pm:
So Pansi, writing to a Catholic church and accusing them of protecting pedophiles is OK,


Too bloody right it's ok, they have been found guilty of protecting pedophiles at the Royal Commission into child abuse. They have themselves admitted it. The Pope has admitted it.


Then you will be fine when they come to your house and shoot you, your family and anyone walking past your house?  Or do you grudgingly accept that some behaviour is unacceptable no matter the provocation?
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #68 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:24pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:50pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Pansi's concept of freedom lost:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
I have lost nothing because I never wanted to publish crude cartoons about Muhammed or Jesus or any other prophet.


So tell us Pansi, at what point would you consider yourself to have lost something, and at what point would you actually stand up for your rights? Never? Better to let other people do it for you?



I wouldn't have a clue at this point in time, but it's certainly not some cartoon offending Muhammad. To me it would have to be a lot more important than that. Why start a war over a cartoon? Pathetic.

I stand up for my rights, but I'm not standing up for your fight against Islam, that's your baby and I'm happy to let you have it.



only accurate thing you've said in years.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #69 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:25pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
stryder wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:41pm:
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As for the west, well! they've had their hour in the sun, it's time for change, as we are now seeing. I don't really care if the west falls, it's their own fault for continuing with their colonialism and greed , they've had it coming.
Dame pansi,from the THREAD,
AMERICA


That is Dame pansi mind. said it right there

Used freedon of speech to let us see what he thinks,  Grin Grin Grin



That's right stryder. In reference to economic power. Do you have any idea that America's great empire is about to fall flat on its face? Do you even know that, or more importantly do you acknowledge it? Do you know why? Because of unrestricted greed, unfettered capitalism.

Yes, they had it coming.


That might be your fervent wish (along with communism) but there is no evidence to suggest any such thing.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #70 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:57pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
As for the west, well! they've had their hour in the sun, it's time for change, as we are now seeing. I don't really care if the west falls, it's their own fault for continuing with their colonialism and greed , they've had it coming.
Dame pansi,from the THREAD,
AMERICA

That is Dame pansi mind. said it right there
Used freedon of speech to let us see what he thinks,  Grin Grin Grin [/quote]
That's right stryder. In reference to economic power. Do you have any idea that America's great empire is about to fall flat on its face? Do you even know that, or more importantly do you acknowledge it? Do you know why? Because of unrestricted greed, unfettered capitalism.

Yes, they had it coming. [/quote]


Let me enter your little argument. By the post it infers that America is about to fall. Greed and capitalism. "America's great empire is about to fall flat on its face. Actually America never had an Empire.
IF America falls it may be prudent to get some supplies into your house, a house well away from any roads or towns.
May I suggest it is in your best interest, oh! and your families that America not fall, or stumble or hick up. Yours and your families life depends on it.
The statement that you don't care, well you better care because if America does fall, what the hell do you think will happen in the first 48 hours after that. The American Dollar is critical, America owes China Upteen billions. Russia and China if America fall will be interesting to watch, think about not caring if they fall.
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Reply #71 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:59pm
 
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I wouldn't have a clue at this point in time, but it's certainly not some cartoon offending Muhammad. To me it would have to be a lot more important than that. Why start a war over a cartoon? Pathetic.


Pansi we already know you haven't put much thought into this. How about you think about it now? Where would you draw the line?

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I stand up for my rights


You have a right to mock Muhammed. So far all I see is you trying to get rid of it. You stand up for nothing. You don't even know if you would stand up for any right if they tried to take it off you.

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Why do you think Americans are hanging onto their weapons? not for a Muslim invasion.


Are the yanks going to invade us pansi?
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Reply #72 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:24pm
 

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I stand up for my rights



freediver
You have a right to mock Muhammed. So far all I see is you trying to get rid of it. You stand up for nothing. You don't even know if you would stand up for any right if they tried to take it off you.


I do have a right to mock Muhammod, I am even allowed to mock Muhammod if I want to, but I don't want to. I don't even want to mock Jesus (although The Life of Brian is hilarious) or religion (except those Jews banging that little black box on their head against the wall are funny).

But all in all, I much prefer to mock Abbott, Shorty, Julie Bishop and Obama.

Of course I don't know what my reaction would be, until I know what's getting taken off me.
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Reply #73 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:59pm:
Are the yanks going to invade us pansi?



I doubt it. Have you heard a rumour?
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Reply #74 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 4:31pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 3:23pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20th, 2015 at 2:39pm:
So Pansi, writing to a Catholic church and accusing them of protecting pedophiles is OK,


Too bloody right it's ok, they have been found guilty of protecting pedophiles at the Royal Commission into child abuse. They have themselves admitted it. The Pope has admitted it.


Then you will be fine when they come to your house and shoot you, your family and anyone walking past your house?  Or do you grudgingly accept that some behaviour is unacceptable no matter the provocation?



They wouldn't know who to shoot first, there's so many people saying it.
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