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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #705 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:38am

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

Fair enough. Lets get back on topic. Cods do you think that rewarding terrorists for acts of terrorism by giving them what they want will discourage them from using terrorism to get what they want?

are you turning this into a lets get cods thread???..

I asked first

I am getting a bit of back lashing as some think I am complaining about being abused......when all I am doing is trying to get what you consider to be freedom of choice.....

.and I see it doesnt apply to cods... thats all..

should cods suggest stop printing ugly insulting cartoons... I am called all manner of names...coward and terrorist lover...which you of course enjoy and encourage...

you have no idea what the real truth is you are too absorbed with your own freedom of speech...and repeating meaningless words...

you will be the first to know when my crystal ball is working again so I can predict the future....

till then...are you turning this into a LETS GET CODS THREAD..?

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Reply #706 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:51am

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you will be the first to know when my crystal ball is working again so I can predict the future....

Another lame excuse from cods for her refusal to think about the consequences of her spineless appeasement of terrorists. It does not take a crystal ball cods. You are the only one having trouble with this.

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So, stopping terrorism is the topic now? I see, how silly to think the thread title had something to do with the topic.

Cods brought it up. Her justification for promoting the abandonment of freedom of speech (ie giving terrorists what they want) is that she was the only one interested in stopping the violence.

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So, in terms of stopping terrorism then, do you think that anything done currently is actually stopping terrorists from committing acts of terrorism?

Shooting them helps. There are lots of people working very hard to stop them.

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What reward is Cods offering up specifically and how does the offer of these "rewards" translate to stopping (or not) terrorism?

Cods is suggesting we refrain from mocking Muhammed. Any appeasement of terrorists rewards them and will encourage terrorism.

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It seems to me that with regard to fanatical, one eyed maniacs, nothing will actually appease them or stop them finding an excuse to behave like arseholes.

That does not stop cods from trying.

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But I am sure that badgering Cods for her comments will do its bit for world peace - I guess we have to be heroic where we can...

It is defending freedom of speech from those who would have us abandon it - both the terrorists and their willing appeasers. I think this is important. I would hate for someone to mistake silence on one of the many threads where cods promoted her spineless appeasement for support or respect for her opinion. The terrorists and the appeasers need to know that it will not happen and that we have no respect for what they promote.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #707 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:52am

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

Fair enough. Lets get back on topic. Cods do you think that rewarding terrorists for acts of terrorism by giving them what they want will discourage them from using terrorism to get what they want?

So, stopping terrorism is the topic now? I see, how silly to think the thread title had something to do with the topic.

So, in terms of stopping terrorism then, do you think that anything done currently is actually stopping terrorists from committing acts of terrorism?

he thinks being bwave behind his computer will stop them...

What reward is Cods offering up specifically and how does the offer of these "rewards" translate to stopping (or not) terrorism?

he thinks harassing someone will make them change their minds..its his form of bullying

Has the death of 17 journalists/cartoonists (in short non terrorists) in anyway shape or form reduced acts of terrorism?

add 2 more to that count.

It seems to me that with regard to fanatical, one eyed maniacs, nothing will actually appease them or stop them finding an excuse to behave like arseholes. But I am sure that badgering Cods for her comments will do its bit for world peace - I guess we have to be heroic where we can...

shhh fd thinks I have the magic bullet...if he says it often enough then it has to be true.. Roll Eyes

dont let a boring person get in the way of a good topic..

I will now revert to ignore mode...mummy might find him something else to play with. Angry

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Reply #709 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 10:06am

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

Fair enough. Lets get back on topic. Cods do you think that rewarding terrorists for acts of terrorism by giving them what they want will discourage them from using terrorism to get what they want?

So, stopping terrorism is the topic now? I see, how silly to think the thread title had something to do with the topic.

So, in terms of stopping terrorism then, do you think that anything done currently is actually stopping terrorists from committing acts of terrorism?

What reward is Cods offering up specifically and how does the offer of these "rewards" translate to stopping (or not) terrorism?

Has the death of 17 journalists/cartoonists (in short non terrorists) in anyway shape or form reduced acts of terrorism?

It seems to me that with regard to fanatical, one eyed maniacs, nothing will actually appease them or stop them finding an excuse to behave like arseholes. But I am sure that badgering Cods for her comments will do its bit for world peace - I guess we have to be heroic where we can...

Terrorism works!

The entire history of ISLAM attests to the fact that the use of terror [by moslems] has served the interests of moslems/ISLAM well.

Mohammed himself attested to that fact [that terrorism works] in the Hadith.

Moslems have come to understand [through previous experience], that if they threaten violence against a group, very often the mere threat of their violence [intimidation], will have an effect which is to the advantage of 'the moslem'.

This consequence occurs, because those who have been threatened [by 'the moslem'] will often see no harm in appeasing 'the moslem' in his demands, in order to avoid the other 'consequences' of displeasing him.

cods is saying that we should follow that common historic response to intimidation, emanating from the moslem community.

freedom of speech = = the freedom to express ideas and concepts.

But, moslems reject all ideas and concepts which they [moslems] deem to be un-ISLAMIC in their basis, OR, ideas and concepts which they [moslems] deem to threaten the integrity of the ideas and concepts which ISLAM itself, promotes in the world.

And in that, we come back to a necessary recognition by us, of the wholly supremacist [fascist] nature of ISLAM.

i.e.
[Wherever moslems have become a significantly large minority, within a larger non-moslem host community]....
ISLAM takes to itself, the 'divine' right to oppose and prohibit the broadcasting of any ideas and concepts which do not actively promote the interests of ISLAM/moslems - on pain of death! [e.g. Charlie Hebdo attacks, Copenhagen attacks, etc]

i.e.
Moslems try to impose a new 'reasonable' 'idea', upon those that they [moslems] live among, the new and 'reasonable' idea, that scrutiny and criticism of the ideas and concepts which ISLAM promotes in the world, should be strictly prohibited.

Why so ?

Because the masters of ISLAM [i.e. the clerics] know that there is no benefit to ISLAM, if they were to ever allow any scrutiny [and consequent criticism] of the ideas and concepts which ISLAM promotes in the world.

Any scrutiny [and consequent criticism] of ISLAM, can never serve the interests of ISLAM/moslems.

Any scrutiny [and consequent criticism] of ISLAM, can only ever be to the detriment of the interests of ISLAM/moslems !!

Appeasing the moslem opposition to cartoon-ery, will result in the loss of our freedoms;

freedom of speech = = is the right to be able to freely publish a cartoon which uses truth combined with ridicule, to satirise corrupt and foolish men.

Which is a right which is NOT, NOT curtailed by ISLAMIC law, if i am a French man/woman or if i am a Danish man/woman.

But if as cods proposes, i choose to curtail the expression of my own freedoms [freedoms that are protected in the laws of France and Denmark], because of the threats of what 'the moslem' may do against me, then i am [in effect!] giving power to ISLAMIC law, above the laws of France and Denmark, which protect my freedoms, which my forefathers fought and died for.

If i [as a citizen of France or Denmark] choose to appease the sensibilities of moslems who live among us, and curtail the expression of my own freedoms, THEN BY DEFAULT, i have allowed 'the moslem' [who lives among us] to become the arbiter of the rights freedoms which i may be allowed to enjoy.

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Reply #710 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 11:12am

Yadda wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

Fair enough. Lets get back on topic. Cods do you think that rewarding terrorists for acts of terrorism by giving them what they want will discourage them from using terrorism to get what they want?

So, stopping terrorism is the topic now? I see, how silly to think the thread title had something to do with the topic.

So, in terms of stopping terrorism then, do you think that anything done currently is actually stopping terrorists from committing acts of terrorism?

What reward is Cods offering up specifically and how does the offer of these "rewards" translate to stopping (or not) terrorism?

Has the death of 17 journalists/cartoonists (in short non terrorists) in anyway shape or form reduced acts of terrorism?

It seems to me that with regard to fanatical, one eyed maniacs, nothing will actually appease them or stop them finding an excuse to behave like arseholes. But I am sure that badgering Cods for her comments will do its bit for world peace - I guess we have to be heroic where we can...

Terrorism works!

The entire history of ISLAM attests to the fact that the use of terror [by moslems] has served the interests of moslems/ISLAM well.

Mohammed himself attested to that fact [that terrorism works] in the Hadith.

Moslems have come to understand [through previous experience], that if they threaten violence against a group, very often the mere threat of their violence [intimidation], will have an effect which is to the advantage of 'the moslem'.

This consequence occurs, because those who have been threatened [by 'the moslem'] will often see no harm in appeasing 'the moslem' in his demands, in order to avoid the other 'consequences' of displeasing him.

cods is saying that we should follow that common historic response to intimidation, emanating from the moslem community.

freedom of speech = = the freedom to express ideas and concepts.

But, moslems reject all ideas and concepts which they [moslems] deem to be un-ISLAMIC in their basis, OR, ideas and concepts which they [moslems] deem to threaten the integrity of the ideas and concepts which ISLAM itself, promotes in the world.

And in that, we come back to a necessary recognition by us, of the wholly supremacist [fascist] nature of ISLAM.

i.e.
[Wherever moslems have become a significantly large minority, within a larger non-moslem host community]....
ISLAM takes to itself, the 'divine' right to oppose and prohibit the broadcasting of any ideas and concepts which do not actively promote the interests of ISLAM/moslems - on pain of death! [e.g. Charlie Hebdo attacks, Copenhagen attacks, etc]

i.e.
Moslems try to impose a new 'reasonable' 'idea', upon those that they [moslems] live among, the new and 'reasonable' idea, that scrutiny and criticism of the ideas and concepts which ISLAM promotes in the world, should be strictly prohibited.

Why so ?

Because the masters of ISLAM [i.e. the clerics] know that there is no benefit to ISLAM, if they were to ever allow any scrutiny [and consequent criticism] of the ideas and concepts which ISLAM promotes in the world.

Any scrutiny [and consequent criticism] of ISLAM, can never serve the interests of ISLAM/moslems.

Any scrutiny [and consequent criticism] of ISLAM, can only ever be to the detriment of the interests of ISLAM/moslems !!

Appeasing the moslem opposition to cartoon-ery, will result in the loss of our freedoms;

freedom of speech = = is the right to be able to freely publish a cartoon which uses truth combined with ridicule, to satirise corrupt and foolish men.

Which is a right which is NOT, NOT curtailed by ISLAMIC law, if i am a French man/woman or if i am a Danish man/woman.

But if as cods proposes, i choose to curtail the expression of my own freedoms [freedoms that are protected in the laws of France and Denmark], because of the threats of what 'the moslem' may do against me, then i am [in effect!] giving power to ISLAMIC law, above the laws of France and Denmark, which protect my freedoms, which my forefathers fought and died for.

If i [as a citizen of France or Denmark] choose to appease the sensibilities of moslems who live among us, and curtail the expression of my own freedoms, THEN BY DEFAULT, i have allowed 'the moslem' [who lives among us] to become the arbiter of the rights freedoms which i may be allowed to enjoy.

Another Muslim hate rant for Israeli paid shill Yadda.

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Reply #711 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 11:38am

Any Muslim Extremists, & the greater majority of those so called moderate Muslims that support them, regardless of what they say (lying is permitted by the Koran), must be grinning from ear to ear watching us all self-destruct, & attack each other.

Expressing points of view, after the second dozen times, becomes an exercise in futility. Changing the words, but expecting a different outcome is a waste of time.

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Reply #712 - Feb 16^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

We're expected to do the not-all-Muslims-want-to-shoot-you-dead shtick. And that's true. But Islam itself has no feeling whatsoever for the spirit of free speech.

The more Islamic a society gets, the less free speech it has - the less intellectual inquiry, artistic achievement, contrarian spirit. Most western Muslims are not willing themselves to open fire on synagogues or Lars Vilks, but they help maintain the shriveled definition of acceptable expression that helps license the fanatics of Copenhagen and Paris. Muslims in Europe, North America and Australia will pay lip service to "free speech", and then promptly re-define it as excluding speech that "blasphemes" or "insults" their faith - which is to say them. Which is to say the great vulgar, brawling, free-for-all of free societies does not apply to them. So, when, say, France's Muslim population reaches 20 per cent, you will need to have the support of three-quarters of the remaining 80 per cent to maintain even a bare popular majority in favor of free speech.

Is that likely? Or will there be more and more non-Muslims like the wretched quisling Welsh bishop, the Right Reverend Gregory Cameron, frantically arguing that if you hadn't been so "offensive" you wouldn't have caught their eye? Islam and free speech are, as His Miserable Grace implicitly recognizes, incompatible. And ultimately, therefore, you have to choose between liberty and mass Muslim immigration.

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Reply #714 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:33am

Soren wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

We're expected to do the not-all-Muslims-want-to-shoot-you-dead shtick. And that's true. But Islam itself has no feeling whatsoever for the spirit of free speech.

The more Islamic a society gets, the less free speech it has - the less intellectual inquiry, artistic achievement, contrarian spirit. Most western Muslims are not willing themselves to open fire on synagogues or Lars Vilks, but they help maintain the shriveled definition of acceptable expression that helps license the fanatics of Copenhagen and Paris. Muslims in Europe, North America and Australia will pay lip service to "free speech", and then promptly re-define it as excluding speech that "blasphemes" or "insults" their faith - which is to say them. Which is to say the great vulgar, brawling, free-for-all of free societies does not apply to them. So, when, say, France's Muslim population reaches 20 per cent, you will need to have the support of three-quarters of the remaining 80 per cent to maintain even a bare popular majority in favor of free speech.

Is that likely? Or will there be more and more non-Muslims like the wretched quisling Welsh bishop, the Right Reverend Gregory Cameron, frantically arguing that if you hadn't been so "offensive" you wouldn't have caught their eye? Islam and free speech are, as His Miserable Grace implicitly recognizes, incompatible. And ultimately, therefore, you have to choose between liberty and mass Muslim immigration.

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You must have been a carpenter in a previous life, 'cause you continually hit the nail square on the head every time!

Gotta hand it to ya....

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Reply #715 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:36am

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 4:52am:

I wonder what happened to FREEDOM OF SPEECH on ozpol....funny how they worry about other peoples FoS but not the members..

funny that.would that be another lefty double standard?

Outside the specific use of some specific choice swear words (which are used by 95% of Australian parents in front of their kids anyway), outside of the use of those words, care to explain exactly what you mean in uncomplicated detail?

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Reply #716 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 10:33am

Panther wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 4:52am:

I wonder what happened to FREEDOM OF SPEECH on ozpol....funny how they worry about other peoples FoS but not the members..

funny that.would that be another lefty double standard?

Outside the specific use of some specific choice swear words (which are used by 95% of Australian parents in front of their kids anyway), outside of the use of those words, care to explain exactly what you mean in uncomplicated detail?

I wont if you dont mind....you dont like what I say anyway...and the message wasnt intended for you so no point...

best you just stick with those you agree with.

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Reply #717 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 10:45am

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Panther wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 4:52am:

I wonder what happened to FREEDOM OF SPEECH on ozpol....funny how they worry about other peoples FoS but not the members..

funny that.would that be another lefty double standard?

Outside the specific use of some specific choice swear words (which are used by 95% of Australian parents in front of their kids anyway), outside of the use of those words, care to explain exactly what you mean in uncomplicated detail?

I wont if you dont mind....you dont like what I say anyway...and the message wasnt intended for you so no point...

best you just stick with those you agree with.

First of all, I stick with no one......you won't se a name on any friends list of mine.. I've been asked, but I don't want any.

Now, it makes no difference if I like what you say, or disagree with what you say.

If you feel (key word is you) you want to say something, go for it.

If I don't like it I can ignore it, or I can say what I feel about what you say.

Makes no never mind.

You have now, & will always have the right to say it.

It may not go down well, but if they can't handle it, that's their problem, not yours.

You still have the right to your piece no matter how popular, no matter if the world disagrees.......period.

In the end though, along with the right to say whatever inspires you, you also have the right to say nothing.

Saying nothing is another form of Free Speech.

The choice is yours & yours only, & unlike others, I respect that.

Put that in your book when you decide to write it.

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Reply #718 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:11pm

its a shame we cannot get answers to queries about oz pol FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

seeing as how FOS is worth dying for outside of ozpol.. it would be wonderful to understand why some of us are singled out to have their FREEDOM OF SPEECH actually stolen from them..with no word of explanation I fidn that pretty two faced to be honest... then again not much about honesty at ozpol either..

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Reply #719 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:44pm

cods wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

.......it would be wonderful to understand why some of us are singled out to have their FREEDOM OF SPEECH actually stolen from them......

Well, I feel sorry for you. You seem to insist you are having your Freedom of Speech 'stolen from you', when that is impossible, & testament to that is you are here saying what you are, which is in of itself a pure exercise of the Freedom of Speech, of which you say is being 'stolen' from you.

If I were a Psychiatrist I would probably have a 5 syllable word describing some defining syndrome or complex, but being I'm not, all I can offer you is my sincere pity in lieu of a diagnosis.

If you are truly unhappy with your 'perceived treatment' in this forum, even though it would be a loss felt by some of us, I might suggest you tune in to a different channel so to speak, a more acceptable one to you than this, more to your own personal liking.....for your own sake -- not anyone elses.

If you so choose, that would be an exercise of another Freedom, your Freedom of Choice.

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