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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #735 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 7:23am

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

It's pretty easy really, if you don't like it here go post somewhere else.

Or start your own forum. FoS never means you'll get that on someone else's property. Most of you may not want me in their lounge saying what I say here, I wouldn't put up with it either. But that doesn't mean you can't speak and publish what you want or take your soapbox to the street.. Then it's my choice if I listen to you and you get to say whatever you want. This forum is FD's property, just because you don't get everything you want to say here, and it's pretty bloody free, doesn't mean he is barring you from your FoS.

Set up your own forum, then you get to make the rules. FoS is about what you can say in public, this is private property. Aussie should know better.

edit: FoS is about what you can say, not where you get to say it.

ok lets call it a DOUBLE STANDARD THEN..

FoS is a furphy and we all know that...

so DOUBLE STANDARDS IT IS..

first of all setanta FD suggested a thread be opened for this very subject....perhaps you need to go back to the beginning..

this was not a whinge on FoS bec ause I for one have said all along.. there is really no such thing..

however FD claims his is threated if those nice cartoonists stop ridiculing some ones GOD..

in fact he is so upset at the suggestion " its wrong" that he also would kill to preserve cruel unkind pictures...

yet he feels quite at home to remove certain peoples freedom of speech to comment on the feedback board as and when it suits them....we are blocked and I also presume we are blocked from contacting fd on P.M.

now that seems fair enough because we can complain on here.......so we can still talk about being banned....

however to fight for a cartoon.. whilst depriving someone theoretically by doing what he is whingeing about others doing..

I find remarkable..

and of course he only wants people to see his point of view..

he seems to have won you over...

its not about starting your own forum...

its about DOUBLE STANDARDS

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Reply #736 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 7:38am

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:18pm:

The distinction - which I have already explained hundreds of times already - is that slaughtering cartoonists is an attack on freedom of speech. Rules on this website are not a restriction on freedom of speech.

Now, if you want to be really clever you could ask why - which is another question I have already answered hundreds of times - because freedom of speech is not a right to compel others to publish.

This is where you and cods run away. In future rather than asking the same idiotic questions over and over again, how about you just save everyone the trouble and copy and paste this post and we can pretend we went round in the same circle again?

Yes, we could do that....or, you could simply admit that while you want freedom of speech for people who do not post here, the freedom of speech people have here is restricted by you.....i.e. there is no such thing as freedom of speech, and this Forum is living proof of that.

One man's freedom of speech is another's deprivation of that same freedom.

You restrict freedom here with a ban button, others do it elsewhere with their ban button. Everyone is happy. Jolly.

AND THAT MY DEAR FRIENDS, IS THAT.

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Reply #737 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 8:02am

We have the freedom to say what we like on this forum, but if we say the wrong thing, we may be banned......consequences.

We know the rules, we have been warned. If we want to contribute to the forum, we obey the rules.

The cartoonists have the freedom to print their cartoons, but if they print the wrong thing they may be killed....consequences.

They know the rules, they have been warned. If they want to stay alive, they obey the rules.

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Reply #738 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 8:11am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

We have the freedom to say what we like on this forum, but if we say the wrong thing, we may be banned......consequences.

We know the rules, we have been warned. If we want to contribute to the forum, we obey the rules.

The cartoonists have the freedom to print their cartoons, but if they print the wrong thing they may be killed....consequences.

They know the rules, they have been warned. If they want to stay alive, they obey the rules.

Being murdered for expressing your view of religion is hardly a rule, except in Islam. If this threat in the Western world is a fait-accomple (Sic) it proves that what is often called Islamophobia is no phobia at all.

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Reply #739 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 9:05am

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One man's freedom of speech is another's deprivation of that same freedom.

No Aussie. One man's freedom is another's confusion. You have freedom of speech, even if you cannot understand it.

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in fact he is so upset at the suggestion " its wrong" that he also would kill to preserve cruel unkind pictures...

This may be news to you cods, but that is exactly what the authorities are doing on our behalf. The civilised world is rallying behind the cartoonists and killing the perpetrators as we find them. This is what decent people do when confronted with attacks on our liberty.

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yet he feels quite at home to remove certain peoples freedom of speech

Earth to cods: that is not what I am doing.

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Reply #740 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 9:23am

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

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One man's freedom of speech is another's deprivation of that same freedom.

No Aussie. One man's freedom is another's confusion. You have freedom of speech, even if you cannot understand it.

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in fact he is so upset at the suggestion " its wrong" that he also would kill to preserve cruel unkind pictures...

This may be news to you cods, but that is exactly what the authorities are doing on our behalf. The civilised world is rallying behind the cartoonists and killing the perpetrators as we find them. This is what decent people do when confronted with attacks on our liberty.

TELL THAT TO THE DEAD.

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yet he feels quite at home to remove certain peoples freedom of speech

Earth to cods: that is not what I am doing.

HOUSTON I HAVE A PROBLEM I CANNOT EXPRESS MYSELF IN FEEDBACK... AS IS MY WANT..

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Reply #742 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 9:34am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

We have the freedom to say what we like on this forum, but if we say the wrong thing, we may be banned......consequences.

We know the rules, we have been warned. If we want to contribute to the forum, we obey the rules.

The cartoonists have the freedom to print their cartoons, but if they print the wrong thing they may be killed....consequences.

They know the rules, they have been warned. If they want to stay alive, they obey the rules.

Being murdered for expressing your view of religion is hardly a rule, except in Islam. If this threat in the Western world is a fait-accomple (Sic) it proves that what is often called Islamophobia is no phobia at all.

the facts are a lot of people take offence at religious mockery...if someone vandalises a church or a headstone or a War Memorial there is hue and cry and people get charged and we clap out hands... and say thats the right way ...we cant have people displaying their FREEDOMOF SPEECH in that fashion...

lets remember we dont all speak the same language...

the extremists of Islam have said they take extreme offence at anyone mocking their god...

and they say they will deal with it by killing people.. innocent people people who have not a thing to do with mocking....people who happen to be in the way..

I think it is worth trying to appease these guys by not mocking...its worth a try....thats all I am saying.. but some think thats taking away their personal freedom of speech...how dare any madman do that...let him kill as many as he wants.. I demand to read this mocking...

and yet I cannot read feedback...to me thats a double standard..

we think its okay to send someone to jail for throwing pain on a war memorial...they even get up in arms when one is used as a public urinal.. peeing a very normal human thing to do... JUST DONT DO IT ON .....feedback.. Roll Eyes

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #743 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 9:36am

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 9:26am:

No-one cares cods, and your attempts to use the terrorist attacks to draw attention to your 'plight' are not exactly helping your cause.

says you...

but when will you admit you have blocked me and others from your precious board????....you are on here telling all and sundry you are winning this double standard.. REALLY?..

me thinks its your cause that is going down.sir!

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Reply #744 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

It's pretty easy really, if you don't like it here go post somewhere else.

Or start your own forum. FoS never means you'll get that on someone else's property. Most of you may not want me in their lounge saying what I say here, I wouldn't put up with it either. But that doesn't mean you can't speak and publish what you want or take your soapbox to the street.. Then it's my choice if I listen to you and you get to say whatever you want. This forum is FD's property, just because you don't get everything you want to say here, and it's pretty bloody free, doesn't mean he is barring you from your FoS.

......FoS is about what you can say in public, this is private property.........

.....FoS is about what you can say, not where you get to say it.

Some excellent points, but I disagree with the "where you get to say it" part.

You can say whatever you want, wherever you want, but in some places you may get that opportunity only ONCE (or until those that object take action).

Expressing your Freedom of Speech, just like most any other action, may have it's downside, it may be subject to a 'penalty', but as I've said before, the 'penalty' only occurs AFTER you've already exercised your Freedom of Speech, NOT BEFORE.

What do you think about that?

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Reply #745 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:10pm

Panther wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

It's pretty easy really, if you don't like it here go post somewhere else.

Or start your own forum. FoS never means you'll get that on someone else's property. Most of you may not want me in their lounge saying what I say here, I wouldn't put up with it either. But that doesn't mean you can't speak and publish what you want or take your soapbox to the street.. Then it's my choice if I listen to you and you get to say whatever you want. This forum is FD's property, just because you don't get everything you want to say here, and it's pretty bloody free, doesn't mean he is barring you from your FoS.

......FoS is about what you can say in public, this is private property.........

.....FoS is about what you can say, not where you get to say it.

Some excellent points, but I disagree with the "where you get to say it" part.

You can say whatever you want, wherever you want, but in some places you may get that opportunity only ONCE (or until those that object take action).

Expressing your Freedom of Speech, just like most any other action, may have it's downside, it may be subject to a 'penalty', but as I've said before, the 'penalty' only occurs AFTER you've already exercised your Freedom of Speech, NOT BEFORE. http://imgur.com/8myJ5wt.gif

What do you think about that? http://i.imgur.com/9no1k4p.png

As this guy found out. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
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A leading Russian opposition politician, former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.

If only he had shut up when he received death threats.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #746 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 4:48pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

It's pretty easy really, if you don't like it here go post somewhere else.

Or start your own forum. FoS never means you'll get that on someone else's property. Most of you may not want me in their lounge saying what I say here, I wouldn't put up with it either. But that doesn't mean you can't speak and publish what you want or take your soapbox to the street.. Then it's my choice if I listen to you and you get to say whatever you want. This forum is FD's property, just because you don't get everything you want to say here, and it's pretty bloody free, doesn't mean he is barring you from your FoS.

......FoS is about what you can say in public, this is private property.........

.....FoS is about what you can say, not where you get to say it.

Some excellent points, but I disagree with the "where you get to say it" part.

You can say whatever you want, wherever you want, but in some places you may get that opportunity only ONCE (or until those that object take action).

Expressing your Freedom of Speech, just like most any other action, may have it's downside, it may be subject to a 'penalty', but as I've said before, the 'penalty' only occurs AFTER you've already exercised your Freedom of Speech, NOT BEFORE. http://imgur.com/8myJ5wt.gif

What do you think about that? http://i.imgur.com/9no1k4p.png

As this guy found out. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
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A leading Russian opposition politician, former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.

If only he had shut up when he received death threats.

I guess that's better than no answer at all

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Reply #747 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

Panther wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

It's pretty easy really, if you don't like it here go post somewhere else.

Or start your own forum. FoS never means you'll get that on someone else's property. Most of you may not want me in their lounge saying what I say here, I wouldn't put up with it either. But that doesn't mean you can't speak and publish what you want or take your soapbox to the street.. Then it's my choice if I listen to you and you get to say whatever you want. This forum is FD's property, just because you don't get everything you want to say here, and it's pretty bloody free, doesn't mean he is barring you from your FoS.

......FoS is about what you can say in public, this is private property.........

.....FoS is about what you can say, not where you get to say it.

Some excellent points, but I disagree with the "where you get to say it" part.

You can say whatever you want, wherever you want, but in some places you may get that opportunity only ONCE (or until those that object take action).

Expressing your Freedom of Speech, just like most any other action, may have it's downside, it may be subject to a 'penalty', but as I've said before, the 'penalty' only occurs AFTER you've already exercised your Freedom of Speech, NOT BEFORE. http://imgur.com/8myJ5wt.gif

What do you think about that? http://i.imgur.com/9no1k4p.png

As this guy found out. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
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A leading Russian opposition politician, former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.

If only he had shut up when he received death threats.

I guess that's better than no answer at all http://i.imgur.com/oEenJEK.png

I thought that was an answer to "Expressing your Freedom of Speech, just like most any other action, may have it's downside, it may be subject to a 'penalty' [/b]but as I've said before, the 'penalty' only occurs AFTER you've already exercised your Freedom of Speech"

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Reply #749 - Feb 28^th, 2015 at 6:05pm

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

If only he had shut up when he received death threats.

is there a politician alive that has never received death threats????????????..

maybe you can name them...

the 17 killed because of Charlie hebdo were not politicians as far as I know..

again you probably know more than I.

So now it depends on the job they do too? Which jobs are still allowed to speak after death threats are made?

edit: I notice over here you take a different view to the one you have on the cartoonists.
cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

pretty average for Russia no stab in the leg with an umbrella..

I am sure they have a deputy opposition leader..
business as usual

No big deal, hire more cartoonists? Business as usual?

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