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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #765 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

Cods it is not "my" version of freedom of speech. It is "the" version. There is no double standard on my part, only a complete inability on your part to comprehend the standard.

can you explain who created the OZPOL RULE BOOK then?....

and how gave you the power to send someone into cyberspace at will....suffocating my fos..

sure I can whinge to you on other boards.. but if I want to complain about the system I cannot contact you..

you only come on here to spread lies about me....otherwise you are have no interest...

of course YOU have a double standard...every knows it..only you live in ... ignorance.

You gave me that power cods, by attaching so much emotional baggage to your "right" to use this forum. You have no such right. Me restricting your use of it does not infringe your freedom of speech. It has clouded your judgement to the absurd extent that you equate it with terrorists murdering cartoonists in an effort to make everyone afraid to mock Muhammed.

I did not spread any lies about you. You have even conceded that your position here is one of spineless appeasement of terrorists. It was you who argued that appeasing terrorists would somehow prevent them from using terrorism to get what they want.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #768 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Aussie what concept of freedom of speech dictates that websites cannot choose what to publish?

It sounds to my like you and cods are simply trying to hitch your whining about mistreatment on this website to the plight of the murdered cartoonists.

It might sound like that to you, but you don't get to put words in my mouth.

I agree, you can set the Rules about what can be said and posted here. Why can't you agree that amounts to a lack of freedom of speech here?

I can, of course, take you all the way down that primrose path if you like, but I know you'll bail out.

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Reply #769 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 5:08pm

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

Cods it is not "my" version of freedom of speech. It is "the" version. There is no double standard on my part, only a complete inability on your part to comprehend the standard.

can you explain who created the OZPOL RULE BOOK then?....

and how gave you the power to send someone into cyberspace at will....suffocating my fos..

sure I can whinge to you on other boards.. but if I want to complain about the system I cannot contact you..

you only come on here to spread lies about me....otherwise you are have no interest...

of course YOU have a double standard...every knows it..only you live in ... ignorance.

You gave me that power cods, by attaching so much emotional baggage to your "right" to use this forum. You have no such right. Me restricting your use of it does not infringe your freedom of speech. It has clouded your judgement to the absurd extent that you equate it with terrorists murdering cartoonists in an effort to make everyone afraid to mock Muhammed.

I did not spread any lies about you. You have even conceded that your position here is one of spineless appeasement of terrorists. It was you who argued that appeasing terrorists would somehow prevent them from using terrorism to get what they want.

that is not what I am about.. thats the way YOU choose to interpret it....and spread your views... I call them LIES...so you see if I have a problem understanding the difference between fos and your rules..

then so do you have a problem understanding my intentions...

you dont mind people insulting me..

but they cannot insult you...

thats your version of FoS...

if a person is asked not to draw insulting pictures of a prophet...

I think thats quite reasonable to ask that

you on the other hand feel its an infringement on your FoS

yet you cannot see thats the restriction you place on others....

hilarious.... Angry

take the blinkers off and see what others can see.. for a change

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Reply #770 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Aussie what concept of freedom of speech dictates that websites cannot choose what to publish?

It sounds to my like you and cods are simply trying to hitch your whining about mistreatment on this website to the plight of the murdered cartoonists.

thats the way I see you.... your the one that talks about appeasement all the time...as if drawing a cartoon infringes on anyones fos... yet to block people from one section of a forum..without any prior warning is very rude you claimed the =terrorists are non negotiable... Grin

what do you call your blocking???? n o word no right of reply.. nothing..

you see you dont have to come on this thread until you have had much to think about and then repeat yourself adnauseam to pass the buck....

you have made it loud and clear whom you like and dislike..who has fos and who doesnt..

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Reply #771 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 5:16pm

I believe now, as we always have had, the Freedom of Speech
here, but I am acutely aware that if I break posting guidelines, as outlined in the "RULES", I run the risk of suspension or even banishment. The severity would probably be dependent on how flagrant of an infringement I chose.

Those penalties though would only come into play AFTER, I repeat AFTER I've said
what I wanted to say -- after I exercised my Freedom of Speech -- NEVER BEFORE.

Inconvenient to some, but a fact nevertheless, for none be so deaf as those who refuse to hear.

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Reply #772 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 6:35pm

Panther wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

I believe now, as we always have had, the Freedom of Speech
here, but I am acutely aware that if I break posting guidelines, as outlined in the "RULES", I run the risk of suspension or even banishment. The severity would probably be dependent on how flagrant of an infringement I chose.

Those penalties though would only come into play AFTER, I repeat AFTER I've said
what I wanted to say -- after I exercised my Freedom of Speech -- NEVER BEFORE.

Inconvenient to some, but a fact nevertheless, for none be so deaf as those who refuse to hear.

That proposition ignores the reality that Rules inhibit or scare off those who would like to say something in breach of the Rules.

I want to stress that I agree FD is totally correct in having the position he is entitled to have Rules which do inhibit what people may say here. It is his dung hill.

My point is simple. He cannot be a champion for Freedom of Speech while he has said Rules which restrict or inhibit or deter someone from saying what they want here.

Ergo, absolute Freedom of Speech simply does not exist anywhere. It is a myth.

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Reply #773 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:24pm

[quote author=Aussie link=1421614428/772#772 date=1425544516]That proposition ignores the reality that Rules inhibit or scare off those who would like to say something in breach of the Rules.

I want to stress that I agree FD is totally correct in having the position he is entitled to have Rules which do inhibit what people may say here. It is his dung hill.

My point is simple. He cannot be a champion for Freedom of Speech while he has said Rules which restrict or inhibit or deter someone from saying what they want here.

Ergo, absolute Freedom of Speech simply does not exist anywhere. It is a myth[/quote]

that has been my whole point... but fd will not have it...

he thinks by saying no to an insulting cartoon is infringing on his fOS. and he would kill to preserve his FOS....but he is not ashamed of taking away someone elses

who may prefer to engage on feedback...

rules btw are not LAWS...

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Reply #774 - Mar 5^th, 2015 at 10:15pm

cods wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

....rules btw are not LAWS...

Different sound, different spelling,
but when you are in a place where the rule of law (hey, that sounds familiar doesn't it?), is simply grouped under a term called "RULES", the terms RULE & LAW are the same if the maker of the so called RULES can enforce those RULES, as one would enforce a LAW, with the same force of LAW.

Maybe they wouldn't have the same effect in a court of law, but in the private places where rules are enforced in a similar fashion as a law, they are in essence the same.

We are not in a court of law..........we are in a private place.

Oh, BTW, freediver has the right to say he champions the Right to Free Speech, all the while asserting his ability & right to enforce rules restricting someone who breaks the rules he created for his forum, even if what the offender did was simply exercise their right to free speech in expressing something that was contrary to the rules.

Why?

Because freediver has the Freedom of Speech protecting his right to simply say that he can in his private place -- this forum.......period......end of argument........an argument you can never, ever win.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #775 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:43am

Panther wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

te Yesterday at 9:24pm:
....rules btw are not LAWS...

Different sound, different spelling,
but when you are in a place where the rule of law (hey, that sounds familiar doesn't it?), is simply grouped under a term called "RULES", the terms RULE & LAW are the same if the maker of the so called RULES can enforce those RULES, as one would enforce a LAW, with the same force of LAW.

Maybe they wouldn't have the same effect in a court of law, but in the private places where rules are enforced in a similar fashion as a law, they are in essence the same.

We are not in a court of law..........we are in a private place.

Oh, BTW, freediver has the right to say he champions the Right to Free Speech, all the while asserting his ability & right to enforce rules restricting someone who breaks the rules he created for his forum, even if what the offender did was simply exercise their right to free speech in expressing something that was contrary to the rules.

Why?

Because freediver has the Freedom of Speech protecting his right to simply say that he can in his private place -- this forum.......period......end of argument........an argument you can never, ever win.

only so far.. there are now laws in place...check facebook and twitter those who are self styled OWNERS..do have responsibilities...NOW..

ok thats stretching this I know and not my intentions at all.

to me he has a double standard.. I am not saying its not is right as its his forum...and has every right to have his rules...its what we sign up up for.. Roll Eyes

..

all I am saying is he has one rule for himself and one for everyone else....btw he has said in the past this forum is not a democracy.....so please dont go on wasting your time telling me what rights fd has.. we ALL KNOW thank you...

you think being a self appointed emperor makes him more equal in the real world...

but I dont..not when I am talking about someone who tells us he would KILL for his FOS..

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #776 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 9:30am

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

Panther wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

te Yesterday at 9:24pm:
....rules btw are not LAWS...

Different sound, different spelling,
but when you are in a place where the rule of law (hey, that sounds familiar doesn't it?), is simply grouped under a term called "RULES", the terms RULE & LAW are the same if the maker of the so called RULES can enforce those RULES, as one would enforce a LAW, with the same force of LAW.

Maybe they wouldn't have the same effect in a court of law, but in the private places where rules are enforced in a similar fashion as a law, they are in essence the same.

We are not in a court of law..........we are in a private place.

Oh, BTW, freediver has the right to say he champions the Right to Free Speech, all the while asserting his ability & right to enforce rules restricting someone who breaks the rules he created for his forum, even if what the offender did was simply exercise their right to free speech in expressing something that was contrary to the rules.

Why?

Because freediver has the Freedom of Speech protecting his right to simply say that he can in his private place -- this forum.......period......end of argument........an argument you can never, ever win.

only so far.. there are now laws in place...check facebook and twitter those who are self styled OWNERS..do have responsibilities...NOW..

ok thats stretching this I know and not my intentions at all.

to me he has a double standard.. I am not saying its not is right as its his forum...and has every right to have his rules...its what we sign up up for.. Roll Eyes

..

all I am saying is he has one rule for himself and one for everyone else....btw he has said in the past this forum is not a democracy.....so please dont go on wasting your time telling me what rights fd has.. we ALL KNOW thank you...

you think being a self appointed emperor makes him more equal in the real world...

but I dont..not when I am talking about someone who tells us he would KILL for his FOS..

I guess you might be talkn' about me too then.

I'd kill for the Freedom of Speech alongside all the other Freedoms we've, most of us have, come to take for granted.

I already have, & I would again in a heartbeat if the threat was sure certain, & my services were required & asked for.

No, I might not be able to plunk a 50 cent sized piece at 800 meters on a regular basis as I once could, but I can still sight in a hub cap on a barn at 500 meters, & a trash can lid at 1400 meters with 'dead on accuracy'.

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Reply #777 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

Panther wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

Panther wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

te Yesterday at 9:24pm:
....rules btw are not LAWS...

Different sound, different spelling,
but when you are in a place where the rule of law (hey, that sounds familiar doesn't it?), is simply grouped under a term called "RULES", the terms RULE & LAW are the same if the maker of the so called RULES can enforce those RULES, as one would enforce a LAW, with the same force of LAW.

Maybe they wouldn't have the same effect in a court of law, but in the private places where rules are enforced in a similar fashion as a law, they are in essence the same.

We are not in a court of law..........we are in a private place.

Oh, BTW, freediver has the right to say he champions the Right to Free Speech, all the while asserting his ability & right to enforce rules restricting someone who breaks the rules he created for his forum, even if what the offender did was simply exercise their right to free speech in expressing something that was contrary to the rules.

Why?

Because freediver has the Freedom of Speech protecting his right to simply say that he can in his private place -- this forum.......period......end of argument........an argument you can never, ever win.

only so far.. there are now laws in place...check facebook and twitter those who are self styled OWNERS..do have responsibilities...NOW..

ok thats stretching this I know and not my intentions at all.

to me he has a double standard.. I am not saying its not is right as its his forum...and has every right to have his rules...its what we sign up up for.. Roll Eyes

..

all I am saying is he has one rule for himself and one for everyone else....btw he has said in the past this forum is not a democracy.....so please dont go on wasting your time telling me what rights fd has.. we ALL KNOW thank you...

you think being a self appointed emperor makes him more equal in the real world...

but I dont..not when I am talking about someone who tells us he would KILL for his FOS..

I guess you might be talkn' about me too then.

I'd kill for the Freedom of Speech alongside all the other Freedoms we've, most of us have, come to take for granted.

I already have, & I would again in a heartbeat if the threat was sure certain, & my services were required & asked for.

No, I might not be able to plunk a 50 cent sized piece at 800 meters on a regular basis as I once could, but I can still sight in a hub cap on a barn at 500 meters, & a trash can lid at 1400 meters with 'dead on accuracy'.

What a load of Walter Mitty crap.

You are evidently confused with freedom of Spetch.

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Reply #778 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 4:39pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

Panther wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

te Yesterday at 9:24pm:
....rules btw are not LAWS...

Different sound, different spelling,
but when you are in a place where the rule of law (hey, that sounds familiar doesn't it?), is simply grouped under a term called "RULES", the terms RULE & LAW are the same if the maker of the so called RULES can enforce those RULES, as one would enforce a LAW, with the same force of LAW.

Maybe they wouldn't have the same effect in a court of law, but in the private places where rules are enforced in a similar fashion as a law, they are in essence the same.

We are not in a court of law..........we are in a private place.

Oh, BTW, freediver has the right to say he champions the Right to Free Speech, all the while asserting his ability & right to enforce rules restricting someone who breaks the rules he created for his forum, even if what the offender did was simply exercise their right to free speech in expressing something that was contrary to the rules.

Why?

Because freediver has the Freedom of Speech protecting his right to simply say that he can in his private place -- this forum.......period......end of argument........an argument you can never, ever win.

only so far.. there are now laws in place...check facebook and twitter those who are self styled OWNERS..do have responsibilities...NOW..

ok thats stretching this I know and not my intentions at all.

to me he has a double standard.. I am not saying its not is right as its his forum...and has every right to have his rules...its what we sign up up for.. Roll Eyes

..

all I am saying is he has one rule for himself and one for everyone else....btw he has said in the past this forum is not a democracy.....so please dont go on wasting your time telling me what rights fd has.. we ALL KNOW thank you...

you think being a self appointed emperor makes him more equal in the real world...

but I dont..not when I am talking about someone who tells us he would KILL for his FOS..

I guess you might be talkn' about me too then.

I'd kill for the Freedom of Speech alongside all the other Freedoms we've, most of us have, come to take for granted.

I already have, & I would again in a heartbeat if the threat was sure certain, & my services were required & asked for.

No, I might not be able to plunk a 50 cent sized piece at 800 meters on a regular basis as I once could, but I can still sight in a hub cap on a barn at 500 meters, & a trash can lid at 1400 meters with 'dead on accuracy'.

What a load of Walter Mitty crap.

You are evidently confused with freedom of Spetch.

Gotcha!!..... ........That's Freedom of Speech fer ya.......hope it don't cause ya nightmares.

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Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH..
Reply #779 - Mar 6^th, 2015 at 6:03pm

Panther wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

What a load of Walter Mitty crap.

You are evidently confused with freedom of Spetch.

Gotcha!!..... ........That's Freedom of Speech fer ya.......hope it don't cause ya nightmares

sven does have a point some of your ramblings remind me of light...I give up after the first line....

I start worrying if I start to understand it... Grin

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