polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:53am:


There's always going to be people who think they have a better idea, or a better way of doing things. I'd be worried if there wasn't dissent!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:58am:


The entire liberal party is dissenting

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:53am:


yep a few MPs in marginal seats.  If you follow politics at all you will see that EVERY govt that gets behind in the polls has the same problem.  there is a big difference between this and senior cabinet ministers and heavy-weights doing this.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:24am:




I guess we armchair politician always think we have the answer..

to me it isnt Tony although granted he has gone in too hard and too fast.....but the senate he is dealing with. is not on...sorry I knwo it pleases you lefties...he has a senate so against him.. but to me it highlights that fact they have brought this country to its kn ees.. I dont blame Abbott for this..

I blame the senate..

they have stopped him from doing almost everything he said he would.... so how can you blame something on a lib govt when he is still stuck with what Labor was doing...because he cannot change an ything..

labor would no more have the funding for their give give give policies than the man in the moon....

we are living in very unstable times....and what does the govt get... STOP why BECAUSE they dont like a LIBERAL GOVT.....unbelievable 

we have a very sick undesirable senate...and everyone blames Abbott..

Cods, Abbott has come up with horrible, unworkable, stupid brainfarts instead of considered policy. His Budget is horribly unfair and was executed incredibly incompetently.

In these circumstances the Senate does its job as a House of Review.

The tasks facing us are:
1. Remove the structural Budget deficit put there by Howard and Costello by removing the huge middleclass welfare like the concessionary tax on super that from 2015/16 will cost MORE than all pensions. One or two tax cuts to be rescinded (hell if the Libs just removed the tax cut given by Rudd/Swan they could hit Labor with that and I could not disagree.)

2. Get the economy moving again and those FTAs the idiots signed are the wrong way to go. Manufacturing needs to be encouraged, the real NBN rolled out as fast as possible and NewStart increased by $50 a week and later another $50 a week.

So what the hell is Abbott doing? Hitting those, like pensioners, unemployed, students who have hardly anything at all, he is attacking Medicare a system envied around the world and signing FTAs that destroy manufacturing here.

Howard in 1998 handed down a Budget that was hard but fair and got respect for it. Tony is just a brain damaged idiot who will never get respect, not from the electorate (54:46, Shorten preferred PM, Abbott’s approvals in the toilet) and not from foreign leaders either.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:24am:



That's what Gillard should have done when the voice of the people was a hung parliament dependant on independents to form a government.

I will say it again - the voting public put this lot in purely as a protest against the other lot - THIS lot are very much on probation and need to pull their heads in... as things stand they are headed out the same door feet first...

Of course that leaves the voting public with the cruel dilemna of who they can actually trust to put in....

Thank heavens for the good people in the senate.          

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

Cods, blaming the Senate is just Liberal party rubbish.

A good leader would acknowledge that the Senate wouldn't allow their more ambitious policies to be put into law. A good leader wouldn't waste the time of the Parliament on futile legislative endeavours.

Howard, Rudd and Gillard all had this in common. If a bill didn't have a chance of passing the Parliament, they usually didn't bother.

Abbott does not. He has put forth several proposals that were blocked in the Senate. He has tried to do too much. Crash through or crash.

If the Senate is blocking too many bills, Abbott has the option of calling a double dissolution election to resolve the deadlock, provided that DD triggers exist of sufficient importance. This isn't the case; therefore the Senate isn't as obstructionist as the Liberals and their rusted-on supporters claim.

If there are DD triggers, Abbott has the option of calling a DD election. He won't, because he is trailing in the polls. He is an incompetent and mendacious Prime Minister who doesn't deserve another chance and the majority of voters know this. He's gone, the clock is ticking. Only time will tell whether it is his own party who knifes him or the voters delivering retribution at the next election.