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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: knives are out for Abbott Reply #45 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:17am So it seems even armchair can see Abbotts leadership is terminal, only cods and longy believe it's all everyone else's fault, typical. I can not recall either of them blaming the senate when Labor were in government.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84104 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: knives are out for Abbott Reply #46 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:27am Crazed lone assassin? Aali Havi Osama.... the grassy knoll.... school book repository.... the Dealey Lama catches it on his phone camera....
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Re: knives are out for Abbott
Reply #47 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:33am

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

the really sad part is that even if Abbott does go, voluntarily or otherwise, the libs haven't got a single candidate who is suitable for the job

Hockey - incompetant
Morrison - he's a walking turd
Bishop - female Morrison although I'd say she's probably even more heartless
Pyne - you must be kidding

maybe they can try Wyatt Roy as PM Cheesy

Turnbull would be a good candidate. His problem is that his only chance of getting the job would be if he was unopposed. The Liberals are infested with too many far-right dries to give a centrist like Turnbull a decent showing in a leadership ballot.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74360 Gender:	Re: knives are out for Abbott Reply #48 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:39am turnbul as PM would be interesting for years now longie, armpit and all the other fanatics on here have been telling us how Turnbull was a leftie and would never make a good Pm ... I'd love to see how they would try to spin it if he became PM
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Re: knives are out for Abbott
Reply #49 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:43am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:54am:

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

I don't understand why they make it so difficult. All tony needs to do is come out and say, "Look let's face it, you all agree, I'm fairly terrible at this job. So I'm stepping down."

we will agree, and the Libs will get a poll boost and most likely win the next election.

UNless of course they put in that scum Morriscum. There is no secrecy or orange life boats when one is PM. The satanic scum would be screwed.

I guess we armchair politician always think we have the answer..

to me it isnt Tony although granted he has gone in too hard and too fast.....but the senate he is dealing with. is not on...sorry I knwo it pleases you lefties...he has a senate so against him.. but to me it highlights that fact they have brought this country to its kn ees.. I dont blame Abbott for this..

I blame the senate..

they have stopped him from doing almost everything he said he would.... so how can you blame something on a lib govt when he is still stuck with what Labor was doing...because he cannot change an ything..

labor would no more have the funding for their give give give policies than the man in the moon....

we are living in very unstable times....and what does the govt get... STOP why BECAUSE they dont like a LIBERAL GOVT.....unbelievable

we have a very sick undesirable senate...and everyone blames Abbott.. Cheesy

The Senate is blocking legislation that they do not support and was not taken to the last election......The Senate is keeping Abbott honest by preventing him from doing what he said he would not do.....Why should the Senate support a lying two faced fraud like Abbott who made so much about honesty and integrity before the last election and then did the complete opposite.....The right are making excuses for Abbott they would never accept from a Labor Government and the electorate is not buying it.....Abbott is a lying scumbag and nothing will change that!!!

if you want that as a hard and fast principle then where do we go? Surely that would mean that same senate is duty-bound to SUPPORT govt election promises. You cant have it both ways. the senate either supports govt promises or it rejects them. If you pick and choose then it simply becomes partisan politics and the high moral ground is ejected.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: knives are out for Abbott Reply #50 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:48am Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax. Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old. Go Figure who pays the piper??
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Re: knives are out for Abbott
Reply #51 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:57am

Imploded in 18 months - I thought between 12-24 based on his personality type.

It's not really a surprise though - he has backflipped on a number of policies and broken a number of promises - basically what he promised not to do before the election.

The LNP have been trailing in most of the polls and his rating is awful.

When will it happen?
Will he step down for health reasons?
Who will replace him?
Will they be able to rescue the LNP?
What will change if they do replace leaders?

The senates job is not to rubber stamp policies, it is normal for them to not pass policies their constituents do not support.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: knives are out for Abbott Reply #52 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:04am St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:06am: Menzies and gorton both got knifed, Howard should have been knifed but Dollar $weety has no balls. When the Lib party was desperately trying to think of ways of dumping Howard $weety was sleeping in Melbourne! Abbott will get knifed. both QUIT... not knifed.
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Reply #53 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:10am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax.

Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old.

Go Figure who pays the piper??

if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead. But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches.

so what is your preferred senate ethics? Please enlighten us.

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Reply #54 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax.

Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old.

Go Figure who pays the piper??

if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead. But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches.

so what is your preferred senate ethics? Please enlighten us.

I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review.

Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't.

If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD.

Is higher education reform important enough to risk power?
What about co payments?
Or perhaps cutting welfare?
We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard"

Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: knives are out for Abbott Reply #55 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:35am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am: Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word? Yes - say what you'll do and do what you'll say. Mr Abbott invited us all to vote him out if he doesn't honour his word on his erection promises. Now that's honesty.
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Re: knives are out for Abbott
Reply #56 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:48am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax.

Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old.

Go Figure who pays the piper??

if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead. But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches.

so what is your preferred senate ethics? Please enlighten us.

I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review.

Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't.

If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD.

Is higher education reform important enough to risk power?
What about co payments?
Or perhaps cutting welfare?
We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard"

Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

You truly believe the current senate or the one before it was an 'independent house of review'???? surely you re trying a karnel-style failed joke, right? on what planet is the senate even remotely INDEPENDENT???? it hasn't effectively been so since the demise of the democrats and even then it was only occasionally so.

Id be happy to have a proper house of review. but is not such a thing nor has it been for some time.

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Re: knives are out for Abbott
Reply #57 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:49am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax.

Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old.

Go Figure who pays the piper??

if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead. But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches.

so what is your preferred senate ethics? Please enlighten us.

I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review.

Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't.

If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD.

Is higher education reform important enough to risk power?
What about co payments?
Or perhaps cutting welfare?
We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard"

Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

now you are just being intentionally stupid!

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Reply #58 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Apparently the senate was doing it's job when combining with Tones & blocking bad policy such as means testing the PHR & policies like the Mining Tax.

Now according to Cods & Mr Weekend its not doing its job by blocking policies that place a greater burden on our young,sick & old.

Go Figure who pays the piper??

if you want to establish principles by which the senate should behave then go ahead. But the two polices you just quoted were election promise breaches.

so what is your preferred senate ethics? Please enlighten us.

I am happy with the way it is now, an independent house of review.

Good policy whether popular or not, articulated & argued well will pass, crap with foot stomping & tantrums won't.

If all else fails a government that actually felt strongly enough about a particular reform being necessary would go to a DD.

Is higher education reform important enough to risk power?
What about co payments?
Or perhaps cutting welfare?
We are told these reforms are necessary but it seems they can be cast aside when it becomes "All Too Hard"

Is anything important enough for Tones to stick to his word?

now you are just being intentionally stupid!

What good policy has been presented by Abbott and not passed?

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Re: knives are out for Abbott
Reply #59 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:59am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

Rudd and Gillard underestimated Abbott. I suggest you lot are doing the same. First years for new govts are always rocky. Howard had a similar experience and look what happened.

I would suggest this is all very premature. It is Labor that knifes PMs, not Libs. In fact, I don't recall one ever being knifed.

Longy this is not some imaginary conspiracy dreamt up by labor and the left wing media - we're talking about liberals themselves dissenting here - and leaking their dissent to reporters.

There's always going to be people who think they have a better idea, or a better way of doing things. I'd be worried if there wasn't dissent!

Armchair, anyone who knows anything about Australian politics knows that backbencher leaks against their own party is a sure sign of almost terminal dissent against their leadership.

What does that say of frontbench leaks under Labor during their six years of fratricide?

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