Australian Politics Forum - Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them?

ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #45 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:10am I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees?
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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4010 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #46 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:10am Re Armchair: Go and live with the detainees and get locked up for say 3 weeks. And then come back to make your mind up. It is all SO easy for you to make up a poll based on the suffering of other people. Will your actions go no lower?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #47 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am They come here illegally. Are given food, shelter, health care gratis. Now riot and go on hunger strikes for some reason. Chuck them back to whence they came.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #48 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:13am the rioters themselves say it is about re settlement issues. The detention centres need to be somewhere.
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Reply #49 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:13am

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:10am:

Re Armchair:

Go and live with the detainees and get locked up for say 3 weeks. And then come back to make your mind up. It is all SO easy for you to make up a poll based on the suffering of other people. Will your actions go no lower?

sociopath: "a person ... who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience."

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137078 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #50 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed.
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Reply #51 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:15am

Straw man
A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument.[1] To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.

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Reply #52 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:10am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:59am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up

Not happy with Rudd's policy then?

No, not at all.

Are you?

Only good thing he did.

Why do you think it's a good thing?

The less uninvited illegals, browns, blacks and muslims entering Australia the better.... Wink

Why do you think it isn't?

I agree: I don't want illegals in the country.

Asylum seekers aren't illegals though.

Moreover, the colour of an asylum seekers' skin, or their religion, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

So, why are you against the humane treatment of asylum seekers?

Yes, I just put the illegal bit in for you and the UN, who think they are illegal entrants. The verdict is in don’t you know!!

Yes, we need to crack down on illegal visa over staying for sure.

I don’t care if it bothers you.

If it’s good enough for Kevin O’Lemon and the ALP, then it’s good enough for me.

The UN convention on refugees is out dated document that needs to be rescinded.

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HooYAY its FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 980 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #53 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am: They come here illegally. Incorrect. Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal. You have been misinformed. Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.
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Reply #54 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am:

They come here illegally.

Incorrect.

Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal.

You have been misinformed.

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4010 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #55 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am Quote: Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum. Which they did. They are asylum seekers.
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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4010 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #56 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am re Quote: I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees? Because of what happened to other refugees in PNG.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #57 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:58am tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am: re Quote: I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees? Because of what happened to other refugees in PNG. what happened?
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teddybear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 662 melbourne Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #58 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:02am tickleandrose wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:52am: re Quote: I dont see the issue, they have been offered resettlement in PNG, why is this so abhorrent to these alleged refugees? Because of what happened to other refugees in PNG. When in your little mind
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Reply #59 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:15am

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am:

They come here illegally.

Incorrect.

Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal.

You have been misinformed.

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

Ok whatever....

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