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Reply #60 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:43am

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am:

They come here illegally.

Incorrect.

Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal.

You have been misinformed.

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

do you enjoy repeating the same nonsense? It isn't illegal.

Normally repeating the same thing that has been proving to be false is a sign of mental disease. You need to check yourself out.

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Reply #61 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:51am

re teddy / Ian

1) Wasnt there another riot earlier last year, that killed one Iranian asylum seeker and injured 77 others?
2) Many people there had been in detention for a long time. And even if they are found to be genuine refugees, there is no certainty when detention would end. As even though, Australia believe that all refugees there will be resettled in PNG, the PNG government does not agree.
3) Such condition would creat and aggrevate mental health illness, further desperation.

And when everything bubbles over, riot / hunger strike will happen. This is not rocket science. Basically, these people are there without any hope.

Teddy, put yourself in to the same situation, what would you have done?

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Reply #62 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:56am

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:10am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:59am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up

Not happy with Rudd's policy then?

No, not at all.

Are you?

Only good thing he did.

Why do you think it's a good thing?

The less uninvited illegals, browns, blacks and muslims entering Australia the better.... Wink

Why do you think it isn't?

I agree: I don't want illegals in the country.

Asylum seekers aren't illegals though.

Moreover, the colour of an asylum seekers' skin, or their religion, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

So, why are you against the humane treatment of asylum seekers?

Yes, I just put the illegal bit in for you and the UN, who think they are illegal entrants. The verdict is in don’t you know!!

The UN doesn't make legislation (i.e. laws).

They aren't doing anything illegal (i.e. contrary to or forbidden by law).

Simple.

"Ellen Hansen from the Canberra office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees told ABC Fact Check that:

"the term 'illegal' is not one that UNHCR uses or encourages the use of in relation to refugees or asylum-seekers arriving without a visa"."

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74429 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #63 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:43pm HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:46am: John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:38am: you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up Not happy with Rudd's policy then? no, and I said so plenty of times.
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Reply #64 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:44pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:43pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 9:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

you treat people like dogs then complain when they try to bite back .... you people are all screwed up

Not happy with Rudd's policy then?

no, and I said so plenty of times.

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Reply #65 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:45pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:43am:

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am:

They come here illegally.

Incorrect.

Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal.

You have been misinformed.

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

do you enjoy repeating the same nonsense? It isn't illegal.

Normally repeating the same thing that has been proving to be false is a sign of mental disease. You need to check yourself out.

incorrect. The australian government says is illegal, the entire legal system says it is illegal. I think it is you with the mental health issues.

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Reply #66 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:47pm

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am:

They come here illegally.

Incorrect.

Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal.

You have been misinformed.

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

no it's not ... as long as they are making their way to an entry point or person of authority from whom they can claim asylum nothing they are doing is illegal

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #67 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:52pm Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74429 Gender:	Re: Rioting detainees - why would/should we want them? Reply #68 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:59pm bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:52pm: Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome. where is that boges?
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Reply #69 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:25pm

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 11:43am:

ian wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am:

They come here illegally.

Incorrect.

Seeking asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa in not illegal.

You have been misinformed.

Well it is illegal, until you claim asylum.

incorrect, their entry remains illegal regardless of asylum seeking status. The law is quite clear on this point, anyone who enters Australia without a valid visa does so ilegally.

do you enjoy repeating the same nonsense? It isn't illegal.

Normally repeating the same thing that has been proving to be false is a sign of mental disease. You need to check yourself out.

incorrect. ... the entire legal system says it is illegal.

No, it doesn't at all. You've been misinformed.

The Protocol Against the Smuggling of Migrants uses the term 'illegal', as does the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.

However, a protocol in itself does not actually make anything illegal.

That's determined by our legislation (i.e. Acts), and people entering Australia without a visa are not referred to as 'illegal' in Australia's Migration Act.

Asylim seekers have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

Simple.

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Reply #70 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:28pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:59pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome.

where is that boges?

Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in.

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Reply #71 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:33pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:59pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome.

where is that boges?

Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in.

so you want them to go back to where they are being persecuted? way to go Andrei ...

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Reply #72 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:53pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:33pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:59pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome.

where is that boges?

Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in.

so you want them to go back to where they are being persecuted? way to go Andrei ...

"Allegedly" persecuted.

Sri Lanka (an ally of Australia) believes them to be economic migrants.

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Reply #73 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:33pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 1:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:59pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2015 at 12:52pm:

Doesn't seem to be doing them or anybody else much good though John, so why don't they just bugger off where they will be welcome.

where is that boges?

Well those from Sri Lanka will be welcomed back by the Government of Sri Lanka which has already requested Australia stop allowing these people in.

so you want them to go back to where they are being persecuted? way to go Andrei ...

"Allegedly" persecuted.

Sri Lanka (an ally of Australia) believes them to be economic migrants.

just as saddam used to claim he never killed any kurds Cheesy

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Reply #74 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 2:05pm

And moreover, since the end of the Tamil rebellion, the lawful govt of Sri Lanka (a new one btw) has given assurances there will be no persecution.

As for the rest, the Iranians, Iraquis, Afghans and what have you, are we to admit these very possible sources of future malcontent and subversion to our shores in ever-increasing numbers? Which as we have seen - have you forgotten already? - will rapidly become the case as soon as we buckle to their pressure.
Let them enjoy the pestilences of PNG or travel back the way they came.

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