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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: rules for banning Reply #75 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49pm Aussie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:23pm: No, he is referring to this Forum's Board, the one he Moderates called The Shed. My apology to Redneck, I wasn't aware of that! Apparently, I have not kept up with some developments.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38860 Gender:	Re: rules for banning Reply #76 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 9:12pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:47pm: Of course you're free to make comments. Thanks. I'll wait.
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: rules for banning Reply #77 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 6:38am It may depend on whether or not you partake in Fromage. Failing that, the "rules" would be somewhat fluid depending on who is attempting to apply them, how the problem is interpreted and, in some cases, who is friends with whom....
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Reply #78 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:02am

I am fortunate enough to have been at a talk here in the US this morning by a born leader and a modern day hero - 4 star General Stanley McChrystal. Former commander of US forces Afghanistan.

He talked to us on a leadership - but something else RESPONSIBILITY.

You people are responsible for your own actions, you make your own destiny, but importantly stand up and own your actions.

You can easily push this back to here - people need to behave, act responsibly and then there would be no need for banning.

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Reply #79 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:32am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

He talked to us on a leadership - but something else RESPONSIBILITY.

That's nice.

I wonder, did he also mention consistency? Or perhaps clarity? Or even diligence? Tell me, what did he have to say about TRANSPARENCY? Anything...

To be frank, I don't disagree with you there regarding people taking responsibility for their own actions, however, in terms of "rules for banning" the point is fairly obvious.

The forum guidelines are basically not applied with due dilligence or consistency.

That is NOT the RESPONSIBILITY of the posters I might add, respectfully.

In your (and AA's favour) this is not about how either of you do the job of modding to be honest, it is more to do with the sloppy framework you have to work with.

The bottom line is, as the current frame work is set up quite a wide range of posters (no doubt myself included), including mods and the site owner, would be banned at some point or another - except for a distinct lack of diligence, consistency and transparency. I guess the only positive in this is that it is accidentally a partial win for free speech, well at least the free speech of a few...

Nice level of responsibility there.

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Reply #80 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:59am

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 8:23pm:

No, he is referring to this Forum's Board, the one he Moderates called The Shed.

My apology to Redneck, I wasn't aware of that!

Apparently, I have not kept up with some developments.

Redneck,
On accessing this forum this morning, I realized what may have contributed to my not picking up your roll here.
It seems that before logging in as a member, The Tool Shed section dosen't appear on the main page.
However, after logging in as a member it does, between the Women's Issues & Fermentations board setions

Odd, but there you go!

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: rules for banning Reply #81 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:05am That's because only male members are able to access it, Perce.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85381 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: rules for banning Reply #82 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:22am Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:05am: That's because only male members are able to access it, Perce. Fair enough - I wanted to see the ladies' room thing, but not allowed.... start a sock? Call it La Grappleure and say 'female'?
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Reply #83 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:26am

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

He talked to us on a leadership - but something else RESPONSIBILITY.

That's nice.

I wonder, did he also mention consistency? Or perhaps clarity? Or even diligence? Tell me, what did he have to say about TRANSPARENCY? Anything...

To be frank, I don't disagree with you there regarding people taking responsibility for their own actions, however, in terms of "rules for banning" the point is fairly obvious.

The forum guidelines are basically not applied with due dilligence or consistency.

That is NOT the RESPONSIBILITY of the posters I might add, respectfully.

In your (and AA's favour) this is not about how either of you do the job of modding to be honest, it is more to do with the sloppy framework you have to work with.

The framework isn't sloppy. A fair bit of thought went into the creation of the rules. They are simplistic if anything, but that's so the majority of members can understand them. If the moderators deviate from the rules to suit themselves, then it seems they have that freedom. They're only volunteers, so some action from them is better than none even if they don't completely understand their job spec. It's like going into a charity op shop. The server might perform some services, but overall you don't expect competence, because he/she is doing it for nothing.

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The bottom line is, as the current frame work is set up quite a wide range of posters (no doubt myself included), including mods and the site owner, would be banned at some point or another - except for a distinct lack of diligence, consistency and transparency. I guess the only positive in this is that it is accidentally a partial win for free speech, well at least the free speech of a few...

Nice level of responsibility there.

It is up to the individual moderator as to how they choose to interpret the rules. As long as the power doesn't go to their head or they become abusive - then it's tolerable.

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Reply #84 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:28am

Transparency and accountability are missing.

I searched on “Idiot” here when banned (4 days!) for saying Armpit was an idiot. Personally, I don’t think the word “idiot” deserves a ban. I got 690 pages of hits on the word idiot! Did each use result in a suspension? Bet they didn’t, and there goes consistency.

Longy was abusive for a whole freaking day, had to drag my family into it—*I* got a ban, not Longy!

Stop fussing over small words, concentrate on viler or more violent language and usages and consistency and clarity are improved. That just leaves accountability.

Any ban message should say briefly what offence is being published and how long the ban is for. If the YABB software allows this then that should always be done.

JohnS got banned for months and doesn’t know why—that is not right! You email FD and never get a reply.

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Reply #85 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:29am

Grap, there's no board on the forum that men can't access anymore. The Tavern used to be, but it's changed now. That being said, if you're really keen you can always just change the setting on your profile to say whichever gender you're feeling at that moment.

The moderator of the sub-forum has the right to ask members not to post.

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Reply #86 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:39am

mantra wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They're only volunteers, so some action from them is better than none even if they can't understand the rules themselves. It's like going into a charity op shop. The server might perform some services, but overall you don't expect competence, because he/she is doing it for nothing.

People volunteer to do many things for all sorts of reasons. They don't do it for nothing. Have you ever dealt with volunteers in a charity store? I have and I must say I'm a bit incredulous that you're putting them down like that. The people there work very hard and its very rewarding in ways that financial gain can't touch.

You seem incapable of posting anything that isn't a passive aggressive dig at the moderators of this board. A bit of charity work might do you some good.

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Reply #87 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:40am

mantra wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

It is up to the individual moderator as to how they choose to interpret the rules. As long as the power doesn't go to their head or they become abusive - then it's tolerable.

Now that is totally because the guidelines are in fact sloppy. There is no "open to interpretation" if rules are to be consistently applied.

Needs to be fairly basic and black and white.

Then, if they are basic and straight forward in how they're stated, the next hurdle becomes consistent application.

Further, if the framework is well constructed then there is no risk of "power going to their heads"...

Oh and if the "power does go to their heads?" What exactly is there in the rules to protect you from this?

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: rules for banning Reply #88 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:42am Phem, moderators are accountable for bannings.
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Reply #89 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:42am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

mantra wrote on Jan 24^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They're only volunteers, so some action from them is better than none even if they can't understand the rules themselves. It's like going into a charity op shop. The server might perform some services, but overall you don't expect competence, because he/she is doing it for nothing.

People volunteer to do many things for all sorts of reasons. They don't do it for nothing. Have you ever dealt with volunteers in a charity store? I have and I must say I'm a bit incredulous that you're putting them down like that. The people there work very hard and its very rewarding in ways that financial gain can't touch.

You seem incapable of posting anything that isn't a passive aggressive dig at the moderators of this board. A bit of charity work might do you some good.

Good point. I grew up "volunteering" in surf life saving. Then my very first professional job was as a beach life guard. ALL of my professional skills were learnt in my amateur and volunteered years.... As a life guard I was always aware that, apart from my off sider, my absolute best and most reliable back up was the volunteers from the surf club at the beach I worked on.

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