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Reply #30 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:32am
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Tuna tossing is very disrespectful to a magnificent creature of the deep, they should use a replica in these more enlightened times.


Smileygood thinking.



Picking one Australian above so many is just plain idiotic, getting an award because your mental patient of a husband killed your kid is gross too, she should have refused it.


  oh dear![b] Smiley


There would have been many other worthy recipients but they also have to tick the "celebrity" box as well before they can be considered, you have to be able to sell copies of New Idea too don't forget.  Sad



thats pretty low by any standards....

this women lost her only son... b ecause she had the guts to finally leave... did avos stop him killing her most beautiful child???...........

amazing how you think a fish is more worthy of respect than this women.. Angry
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Reply #31 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 12:47pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:15am:
I am sure there are reasons behind receiving the award but not for being nominated...

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Reply #32 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 4:56pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:32am:
innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Tuna tossing is very disrespectful to a magnificent creature of the deep, they should use a replica in these more enlightened times.


Smileygood thinking.



Picking one Australian above so many is just plain idiotic, getting an award because your mental patient of a husband killed your kid is gross too, she should have refused it.


  oh dear![b] Smiley


There would have been many other worthy recipients but they also have to tick the "celebrity" box as well before they can be considered, you have to be able to sell copies of New Idea too don't forget.  Sad



thats pretty low by any standards....

this women lost her only son... b ecause she had the guts to finally leave... did avos stop him killing her most beautiful child???...........

amazing how you think a fish is more worthy of respect than this women.. Angry



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Reply #33 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:16pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:32am:
innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Tuna tossing is very disrespectful to a magnificent creature of the deep, they should use a replica in these more enlightened times.


Smileygood thinking.



Picking one Australian above so many is just plain idiotic, getting an award because your mental patient of a husband killed your kid is gross too, she should have refused it.


  oh dear![b] Smiley


There would have been many other worthy recipients but they also have to tick the "celebrity" box as well before they can be considered, you have to be able to sell copies of New Idea too don't forget.  Sad



thats pretty low by any standards....

this women lost her only son... b ecause she had the guts to finally leave... did avos stop him killing her most beautiful child???...........

amazing how you think a fish is more worthy of respect than this women.. Angry



No, cods - but they may well have been the trigger that pushed him over the edge......  the imposition of violence, in this case in the form of sanction from a court on zero evidence, to cut back on violence is the same as shagging to cut back on promiscuity.

Study revolution and see one clarion call.......... the most important motivator to revolution/insurrection is... insult.  Insult a man by taking away his family and even his right to a fair discussion, and replace that with the violence of the state on a zero evidence basis - and you create a grievous insult.

This is overlooked in every review of domestic violence, and yet is in place in every jurisdiction in this and any other countries blighted by the current paradigm of 'domestic violence'.

There are many other issues not looked at in this issue - but this one is relevant here.
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Reply #34 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:21pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:32am:
innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Tuna tossing is very disrespectful to a magnificent creature of the deep, they should use a replica in these more enlightened times.


Smileygood thinking.



Picking one Australian above so many is just plain idiotic, getting an award because your mental patient of a husband killed your kid is gross too, she should have refused it.


  oh dear![b] Smiley


There would have been many other worthy recipients but they also have to tick the "celebrity" box as well before they can be considered, you have to be able to sell copies of New Idea too don't forget.  Sad



thats pretty low by any standards....

this women lost her only son... b ecause she had the guts to finally leave... did avos stop him killing her most beautiful child???...........

amazing how you think a fish is more worthy of respect than this women.. Angry



No, cods - but they may well have been the trigger that pushed him over the edge......  the imposition of violence, in this case in the form of sanction from a court on zero evidence, to cut back on violence is the same as shagging to cut back on promiscuity.

Study revolution and see one clarion call.......... the most important motivator to revolution/insurrection is... insult.  Insult a man by taking away his family and even his right to a fair discussion, and replace that with the violence of the state on a zero evidence basis - and you create a grievous insult.

This is overlooked in every review of domestic violence, and yet is in place in every jurisdiction in this and any other countries blighted by the current paradigm of 'domestic violence'.

There are many other issues not looked at in this issue - but this one is relevant here.



well maybe someone will put that into plain ENglish for me then I might be able to reply.. sorry grap havent a clue what you are on about....
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Reply #35 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 6:49pm
 
Rosie on TV right now - she discusses 'family violence' - all power to her, though the journo keeps trying to get her to discuss violence against women, she continues her neutral position.

Many others could take that neutral approach instead of jihad..... as inevitably will be the result of the issue again being hijacked by self-interest groups.

I hope she is a good ambassador for getting at the actual issues involved in violence.
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Reply #36 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 7:34pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 6:49pm:
Rosie on TV right now - she discusses 'family violence' - all power to her, though the journo keeps trying to get her to discuss violence against women, she continues her neutral position.

Many others could take that neutral approach instead of jihad..... as inevitably will be the result of the issue again being hijacked by self-interest groups.

I hope she is a good ambassador for getting at the actual issues involved in violence.



she knew her husband had mental issues......as I would think quite a few men who resort to killing have... and she has said there is not enough notice taken of this HUGE problem...

and even you must admit this is on the increase......or at the least it isnt going away...we do know there is domestic violence on both sides..

and I am not sure this lady is only talking about female victims...

all I know is there is almost always CHILDREN victims.....

there is always always a VICTIM..... I dont know what the answer is...but as she said today.. shes over the BANDAID fixes..

AVos DVOS.. are pieces of paper mean nothing to anyone with mental issues...

if a bloke says you are not getting away from me.. he usually means it...

how many DVOs are issued to women????>..wives or ex wives?..

how many men run away from their partner with a few kids in tow???>...

the balance is very much the other way..

and in this day and age.. in a country like this . its a real shocker..
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Reply #37 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 7:42pm
 
She was very conscientious to keep the discussion neutral... can;t say the same for the journo who buys into the current total 'man v woman' monologue.

Yes - her hubby was a nutter - and somehow slipped through the ropes....

You simply cannot predict that someone, even a nutter, is going to do what he did, so in all seriousness, it was near impossible for anyone to move to prevent it happening.   As I said before about Monis - we don't crucify all Muslim men for the sins of one..... if we did we've lost ourselves as a society and we might as well throw the rule book out the window.

so we shouldn't be launcvhing jihad agaisnt men over this or the other incidengts.

I cannot say if it is on the increase - the waters have been muddied for so long by 'feminists' enlarging the meaning of 'violence' - one way only - that nobody has the truth now at all.  Any complaint, no matter how unfounded, is regarded as an act of violence.

That's why we USED to have courts.. now we have Star Chambers.  The very actions of these Star Chambers masquerading as courts is actually ramping up the violence by injecting more violence into the equation.

Never going to solve anything.

“The use of force is a last resort. One aspect of violence is that it is unpredictable. Although your initial intention may be to use limited force, once you have engaged in violence the consequences are unpredictable. Violence always brings about unexpected results and almost always provokes retaliation.”

- Dalai Lama

Do you see how the violence of a court actually makes the situation worse?

There have to be better ways.
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Reply #38 - Jan 26th, 2015 at 11:12pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:32am:
innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Tuna tossing is very disrespectful to a magnificent creature of the deep, they should use a replica in these more enlightened times.


Smileygood thinking.



Picking one Australian above so many is just plain idiotic, getting an award because your mental patient of a husband killed your kid is gross too, she should have refused it.


  oh dear![b] Smiley


There would have been many other worthy recipients but they also have to tick the "celebrity" box as well before they can be considered, you have to be able to sell copies of New Idea too don't forget.  Sad



thats pretty low by any standards....

this women lost her only son... b ecause she had the guts to finally leave... did avos stop him killing her most beautiful child???...........

amazing how you think a fish is more worthy of respect than this women.. Angry



No, cods - but they may well have been the trigger that pushed him over the edge......  the imposition of violence, in this case in the form of sanction from a court on zero evidence, to cut back on violence is the same as shagging to cut back on promiscuity.

Study revolution and see one clarion call.......... the most important motivator to revolution/insurrection is... insult.  Insult a man by taking away his family and even his right to a fair discussion, and replace that with the violence of the state on a zero evidence basis - and you create a grievous insult.

This is overlooked in every review of domestic violence, and yet is in place in every jurisdiction in this and any other countries blighted by the current paradigm of 'domestic violence'.

There are many other issues not looked at in this issue - but this one is relevant here.

The man was mentally ill, nothing going to make you bash your own child, to death if you are in your right mind, even if a dodgy court decision. Secondly Rose Batty isnt getting the nomination for her personal stress but because she has been able to move on and help others in similar situations. Im detecting you have an axe to grind here but this is not one of your more thought out posts..
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Reply #39 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:46am
 
ian wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 11:12pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:16pm:
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:32am:
innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Tuna tossing is very disrespectful to a magnificent creature of the deep, they should use a replica in these more enlightened times.


Smileygood thinking.



Picking one Australian above so many is just plain idiotic, getting an award because your mental patient of a husband killed your kid is gross too, she should have refused it.


  oh dear![b] Smiley


There would have been many other worthy recipients but they also have to tick the "celebrity" box as well before they can be considered, you have to be able to sell copies of New Idea too don't forget.  Sad



thats pretty low by any standards....

this women lost her only son... b ecause she had the guts to finally leave... did avos stop him killing her most beautiful child???...........

amazing how you think a fish is more worthy of respect than this women.. Angry



No, cods - but they may well have been the trigger that pushed him over the edge......  the imposition of violence, in this case in the form of sanction from a court on zero evidence, to cut back on violence is the same as shagging to cut back on promiscuity.

Study revolution and see one clarion call.......... the most important motivator to revolution/insurrection is... insult.  Insult a man by taking away his family and even his right to a fair discussion, and replace that with the violence of the state on a zero evidence basis - and you create a grievous insult.

This is overlooked in every review of domestic violence, and yet is in place in every jurisdiction in this and any other countries blighted by the current paradigm of 'domestic violence'.

There are many other issues not looked at in this issue - but this one is relevant here.

The man was mentally ill, nothing going to make you bash your own child, to death if you are in your right mind, even if a dodgy court decision. Secondly Rose Batty isnt getting the nomination for her personal stress but because she has been able to move on and help others in similar situations. Im detecting you have an axe to grind here but this is not one of your more thought out posts..


Sorry, ian - I've already said everything you just said - this is another component of the entire gamut of the discussion on violence.  That discussion is far more extensive than a simple discussion of the relatively few extreme incidents, which by no means cover the entire issues in any way - yet at this time are something of a flechette round aimed at an entire 50% of the population, if the to-date biased media input is to be believed with regard to the Victorian farce.

The fact that the man WAZS mentally ill only means that my point about the trigger effect of an insult (real or perceived) MAY have had a greater effect than on a normal person.

This woman was carefully neutral in her position - something the media was not - and thus has won many points with me.  Perhaps she has a better grip on the issues than the ideologues who muddy the waters have.


Right now I'm considering making a submission to the Victorian review thing.. just don't have the time at the moment.
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Reply #40 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:37pm
 
theres a funny old fashioned word that has come up a few times on other threads..it does apply to this thread if its now about D.Violence.....and thats consequences...

these are actions that can all be avoided...there is so much out there now for people to get guidance..something they seem to have missed out on whilst growing up...

yet to no avail.. its getting worse women are still hiding in refuges?????.....some really living in fear of being killed by someone who seems to have lost all reason...

women have killed their partner after being abused for years and finally saying enough is enough...

why does it come down to this??>..what are we doing wrong in the make up of these people who think they have some right to bash and torment another human being???.......

we dont have a good record in this country.....killing children as pay back...it will never make sense to me...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:46am:
This woman was carefully neutral in her position - something the media was not - and thus has won many points with me.  Perhaps she has a better grip on the issues than the ideologues who muddy the waters have.




the women is a victim of the worst case of domestic violence you can get..

have you been a victim of DV grap?????>..

why you would expect the media to have this insightfulness I dont know..... should they not interview someone unless they have personal experience perhaps.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

god forbid.


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Reply #41 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:49pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
theres a funny old fashioned word that has come up a few times on other threads..it does apply to this thread if its now about D.Violence.....and thats consequences...

these are actions that can all be avoided...there is so much out there now for people to get guidance..something they seem to have missed out on whilst growing up...

yet to no avail.. its getting worse women are still hiding in refuges?????.....some really living in fear of being killed by someone who seems to have lost all reason...

women have killed their partner after being abused for years and finally saying enough is enough...

why does it come down to this??>..what are we doing wrong in the make up of these people who think they have some right to bash and torment another human being???.......

we dont have a good record in this country.....killing children as pay back...it will never make sense to me...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:46am:
This woman was carefully neutral in her position - something the media was not - and thus has won many points with me.  Perhaps she has a better grip on the issues than the ideologues who muddy the waters have.




the women is a victim of the worst case of domestic violence you can get..

have you been a victim of DV grap?????>..

why you would expect the media to have this insightfulness I dont know..... should they not interview someone unless they have personal experience perhaps.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

god forbid.


If a woman gets murdered during domestic violence was she asking for it when she was found in bed with another man Cods?
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Reply #42 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 6:17pm
 
Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:49pm:
cods wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
theres a funny old fashioned word that has come up a few times on other threads..it does apply to this thread if its now about D.Violence.....and thats consequences...

these are actions that can all be avoided...there is so much out there now for people to get guidance..something they seem to have missed out on whilst growing up...

yet to no avail.. its getting worse women are still hiding in refuges?????.....some really living in fear of being killed by someone who seems to have lost all reason...

women have killed their partner after being abused for years and finally saying enough is enough...

why does it come down to this??>..what are we doing wrong in the make up of these people who think they have some right to bash and torment another human being???.......

we dont have a good record in this country.....killing children as pay back...it will never make sense to me...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:46am:
This woman was carefully neutral in her position - something the media was not - and thus has won many points with me.  Perhaps she has a better grip on the issues than the ideologues who muddy the waters have.




the women is a victim of the worst case of domestic violence you can get..

have you been a victim of DV grap?????>..

why you would expect the media to have this insightfulness I dont know..... should they not interview someone unless they have personal experience perhaps.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

god forbid.


If a woman gets murdered during domestic violence was she asking for it when she was found in bed with another man Cods?



I do not understand the question..

if a women was MURDERED by the husband when found in bed with another man..

IT IS MURDER...

as far as I know..


domestic violence does not automatically mean DEATH...

however if you take a life... its usually is MURDER..

was it provoked??>.. thats up to the lawyers.....

is sex a reason to MURDER NOW?.. I dont know the law changes all the time...

not too many women MURDER their man because he is unfaithful....imagine how many would be in prison if that were the case? Roll Eyes Roll Eyesthey do chop off things now though.. Wink

when a women lives in fear day in day out..she is usually exhausted...when her kids come into the firing line.. she gets pushed over the edge sometimes..

is Domestic violence provocation for murder??..

not in every case..

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Reply #43 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 6:30pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 6:17pm:
Happy Lucky wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:49pm:
cods wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
theres a funny old fashioned word that has come up a few times on other threads..it does apply to this thread if its now about D.Violence.....and thats consequences...

these are actions that can all be avoided...there is so much out there now for people to get guidance..something they seem to have missed out on whilst growing up...

yet to no avail.. its getting worse women are still hiding in refuges?????.....some really living in fear of being killed by someone who seems to have lost all reason...

women have killed their partner after being abused for years and finally saying enough is enough...

why does it come down to this??>..what are we doing wrong in the make up of these people who think they have some right to bash and torment another human being???.......

we dont have a good record in this country.....killing children as pay back...it will never make sense to me...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:46am:
This woman was carefully neutral in her position - something the media was not - and thus has won many points with me.  Perhaps she has a better grip on the issues than the ideologues who muddy the waters have.




the women is a victim of the worst case of domestic violence you can get..

have you been a victim of DV grap?????>..

why you would expect the media to have this insightfulness I dont know..... should they not interview someone unless they have personal experience perhaps.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

god forbid.


If a woman gets murdered during domestic violence was she asking for it when she was found in bed with another man Cods?



I do not understand the question..

if a women was MURDERED by the husband when found in bed with another man..

IT IS MURDER...

as far as I know..


domestic violence does not automatically mean DEATH...

however if you take a life... its usually is MURDER..

was it provoked??>.. thats up to the lawyers.....

is sex a reason to MURDER NOW?.. I dont know the law changes all the time...

not too many women MURDER their man because he is unfaithful....imagine how many would be in prison if that were the case? Roll Eyes Roll Eyesthey do chop off things now though.. Wink

when a women lives in fear day in day out..she is usually exhausted...when her kids come into the firing line.. she gets pushed over the edge sometimes..

is Domestic violence provocation for murder??..

not in every case..

Just like provocation because of a couple of cartoons is murder?
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Reply #44 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:54pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
the women is a victim of the worst case of domestic violence you can get..

have you been a victim of DV grap?????>..

why you would expect the media to have this insightfulness I dont know..... should they not interview someone unless they have personal experience perhaps.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

god forbid.


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Firstly - I apologise for my naivety in expecting the media to do other than jump on a band wagon.

I believe my credentials in regard to FAMILY violence are impeccable.... coming from a family of lunatics and drunks, and with any number of incidents of violence against me.

I know full well what is involved - and therefore why it should not be allowed to get out of hand and turned into a jihad against an entire social group in our society - to which I happen to belong.

I will not accept being abused and assaulted by family and past women in my life, and then being equally assaulted by the State in order to placate a few ideological harpies bent on reducing men under despotism for their own purposes.

The issues of Family violence are more complex that the long out-worn 'man v woman' monologue forced on us by ideologues and a sycophantic government and media.

That is why I applaud this woman for standing firm under pressure from media and restricting the issue to FAMILY violence.

"Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

News tonight - woman charged with manslaughter and her 'new lion' husband with murder over the death of a 6-7 week old infant.

Jesus God..... is it at all possible to address the issues in their entirety?

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/6/6/0/%7B66025eb4-dc26-4b37-803b-bcc1ea184951%7D...

On page two you will note the following neat sidestep:-

"However, according to police
data, we do know that between July
1989 and December 1993, there were
108 child homicide incidents, resulting
in the deaths of 126 children under
the age of 15 years. This figure
represents around 8.5 per cent of all
homicides in Australia in that time period.
Twenty-five of these incidents (20 per
cent) involved more than one victim
(compared with 5 per cent of
all homicides which involved multiple
victims in Australia). In almost all of
these 25 cases, the offender was the
child's father."


108 total deaths - 25 case where the perpetrator was the child's father - that leaves 83 by 'other persons', and mother in not mentioned.  A bit sneaky, considering one such mother killed eight in one go.... and there are mothers in prison (rightly or wrongly, as in Follbigg) for killing four of their own children etc...

http://www.loveourchildrenusa.org/stats.php

Perpetrators

A perpetrator of child abuse and/or neglect is a person who has abused or maltreated a child while in a caretaking relationship to that child.
•      Three-fifths (61.8%) of perpetrators were female. Female perpetrators were typically younger than their male counterparts -41.5 percent were younger than 30 years of age, compared to 31.2 percent of male perpetrators.
•      Almost nine-tenths (87.3%) of all victims were maltreated by at least one parent. The most common pattern of maltreatment was a child victimized by a female parent  acting alone (44.7%).
•      Female parents were identified as the perpetrators of neglect and physical abuse for the highest percentage of child victims. In contrast, male parents were identified as the perpetrators of sexual abuse for the highest percentage of victims.


No - sorry - the entire range of issues MUST be thoroughly scrutinised for once and not ambushed by ideologues and media bent on a single false view.
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