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Reply #15 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 8:17am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 9:16pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 4:26pm:
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For those who don't know of him, this great pundit for our time is a former US TV weatherman who in a divine flash of inspiration saw that the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming was so much hot air and so set up the sceptical blog Watts Up With That (witty, heh?).

If you've been on a discussion board and had someone turn up and most some super new 'hot off the press' proof that AGW is a con, then the chances are that they lifted it from his blog

http://thesnufkin.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/climate-change-denier-proves-climate.h...







And if he was the only person writing on there or even the majority, you'd have a point.  But he isn't. There are hundreds of actual scientist contributing.  And might I point out that the largest mouth - Al Gore - has zero qualifications of any kind while the head of the IPCC is a train driver.

At this point, Watts' climate qualifications trumps both of them.
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Reply #16 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:12am
 
Great news, looking forward to my ocean front views
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Reply #17 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:42am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:12am:
Great news, looking forward to my ocean front views


Wink Wink  Bloody great catching KING GEORGE WHITING FROM THE FRONT VERANDA
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Reply #18 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:52am
 
Look on the bright side - I won't have to put salt in my pool anymore
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Reply #19 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:04am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 8:06pm:
dear lord... how anyone could reprint this garbage and not feel humiliated is beyond me..  Roll Eyes


And the alternative is to listen to how full your water tank is and how happy your dog is about it. That is something that should be submitted to the IPCC Cheesy LOL
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Reply #20 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 11:07am
 
Maybe its the land sinking greens_win............
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Reply #21 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 11:14am
 
I think it's already started . ...pissing down here.
Could be the Almighty has finally had enough. Best start looking for people called Noah.
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Reply #22 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:18pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
This is terrific news.  this is another catastrophic prediction we can remember and use to point and laugh at the climate hysterics in years to come.

It probably never occurred to any of you that glaciers typically 'melt' at the bottom normally, although it isn't actually melting given the enormous pressure.

and all this is happening because of a 0.8degree rise that hasn't changed in 17 year?

Temperature is an indicator of the heat content of a system!

It's all heat engines!!

The difficult part is defining the system boundary which is something you never do and is why after all these years you still have no credibility on this forum  Shocked  Wink Wink

.. no wonder people like you voted for copper internet in the clever country
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Reply #23 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:26pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 8:14am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 8:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
This is terrific news.  this is another catastrophic prediction we can remember and use to point and laugh at the climate hysterics in years to come.

It probably never occurred to any of you that glaciers typically 'melt' at the bottom normally, although it isn't actually melting given the enormous pressure.

and all this is happening because of a 0.8degree rise that hasn't changed in 17 year?


I don't think that they are saying that there will be a 6 metre rise, just pointing out how much water is involved.

and all this is happening because of a 0.8degree rise that hasn't changed in 17 year

The temperature you are talking about here is a different measurement, the scientists have been saying that for a while now that a lot of the heat expected to go into atmospheric temperature has instead been going primarily into the oceans where the temperature has risen over the last 17 years. You probably ignored this information many times.


Ive heard that argument multiple times and laugh every time I hear it.  For some reason that conveniently has no explanation, heating managed to warm the surface and generate a lot of hysteria.  NOW however, the heat has magically decided to go into the sea or the upper atmosphere or somewhere else we cannot detect nor quantify. Apparently the laws of thermodynamics are merely suggestions and heat can go where 'it decides'.

and if you think the temperature of the oceans has risen then ask them by how much and you will NOT get an answer.  They will show you graphs with JOULES and not degrees because to 9 decimal places, the temperature hasn't changed.

Hot air doesn't rise:
cool air sinks!


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Reply #24 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:28pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 8:14am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 8:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
This is terrific news.  this is another catastrophic prediction we can remember and use to point and laugh at the climate hysterics in years to come.

It probably never occurred to any of you that glaciers typically 'melt' at the bottom normally, although it isn't actually melting given the enormous pressure.

and all this is happening because of a 0.8degree rise that hasn't changed in 17 year?


I don't think that they are saying that there will be a 6 metre rise, just pointing out how much water is involved.

and all this is happening because of a 0.8degree rise that hasn't changed in 17 year

The temperature you are talking about here is a different measurement, the scientists have been saying that for a while now that a lot of the heat expected to go into atmospheric temperature has instead been going primarily into the oceans where the temperature has risen over the last 17 years. You probably ignored this information many times.


Ive heard that argument multiple times and laugh every time I hear it.  For some reason that conveniently has no explanation, heating managed to warm the surface and generate a lot of hysteria.  NOW however, the heat has magically decided to go into the sea or the upper atmosphere or somewhere else we cannot detect nor quantify. Apparently the laws of thermodynamics are merely suggestions and heat can go where 'it decides'.

and if you think the temperature of the oceans has risen then ask them by how much and you will NOT get an answer.  They will show you graphs with JOULES and not degrees because to 9 decimal places, the temperature hasn't changed.

Is longy talking about the laws of thermodynamics  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 8:14am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 8:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
This is terrific news.  this is another catastrophic prediction we can remember and use to point and laugh at the climate hysterics in years to come.

It probably never occurred to any of you that glaciers typically 'melt' at the bottom normally, although it isn't actually melting given the enormous pressure.

and all this is happening because of a 0.8degree rise that hasn't changed in 17 year?


I don't think that they are saying that there will be a 6 metre rise, just pointing out how much water is involved.

and all this is happening because of a 0.8degree rise that hasn't changed in 17 year

The temperature you are talking about here is a different measurement, the scientists have been saying that for a while now that a lot of the heat expected to go into atmospheric temperature has instead been going primarily into the oceans where the temperature has risen over the last 17 years. You probably ignored this information many times.


Ive heard that argument multiple times and laugh every time I hear it.  For some reason that conveniently has no explanation, heating managed to warm the surface and generate a lot of hysteria.  NOW however, the heat has magically decided to go into the sea or the upper atmosphere or somewhere else we cannot detect nor quantify. Apparently the laws of thermodynamics are merely suggestions and heat can go where 'it decides'.

and if you think the temperature of the oceans has risen then ask them by how much and you will NOT get an answer.  They will show you graphs with JOULES and not degrees because to 9 decimal places, the temperature hasn't changed.

Temperature is an indicator  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes fmd this guy is a peanut  Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:33pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm:
Seems like the only thing the rotting carcass of the man made global warming scare is good for now is for cranks to use as bait to troll low wit internet forums with.  Roll Eyes


innocent bystander voted for copper internet and now he feels awful  Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:35pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 5:54pm:
Brrrr..... track suits down here tonight.. middle of summer....

Perth didn't get that hot but Feb will produce I'm sure... it always gets mild then screaming hot!
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Reply #28 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:49pm
 
(Just thought I'd post this as a reminder of some relevant science...)

I'm going to go over your question bit by bit. Explain some of the language of your question, and then analyze the final answer. My explanations assume prior knowledge of the atomic reality of gases but little else.

First off "heat rises" is a term that should be avoided in a physics discussion. The term "heat" is referring to the transfer of thermal energy from one place to another. It is not a state-quantity. For instance, state quantities are things that are qualities of the matter it self. For instance mass is a state quantity. So is charge. These are the same regardless of other place and time. While "heat" is a description of change, not a description of state. We say a pan on the stove heated up. Or better still a flow of heat from the flame into the pan caused the pan to have a higher temperature. If we said the pan on the stove has heat, that is incorrect, the pan on the stove has thermal energy (a mesure of the mass and temperature of the object), and a temperature.

Reminder: temperature is a mesure of the average kinetic energy of a substance.

Rephrase: Does hot (greater temperature) air rise? Or is it displaced by cold (lower temperature) air?

First: Why does anything fall and rise in a gravitational field? Well it must have a force pushing it up. To change its potential energy (U=mg) a force must act on it.

What is the force that causes a fluid or gas to rise and fall? In all cases it can be described as a pressure.

Pressure is always a relative thing, this is because it isn't pressure that causes things to rise and fall it is a pressure difference or gradient. So what is important is the net pressure, or pressure difference.

First of all this is an important point. If the pressure in a volume is all the same: nothing changes. No air moves (besides individual particles that will move due to brownian motion).

So how can I create a pressure difference to cause one bit of air to rise? To be pushed up?

1) The easiest way is to control how packed the air is, its density. A greater packed group of molecules will have more atoms in a smaller space so it if each molecule is moving at the same speed more collisions occur between the edge of its volume (these changes in momentum cause a force) and it will exert more force: greater pressure.

2) But how do we mesure how fast the particles are going in volume of something? Because if the atoms move faster then there will be greater changes in momentum and more force. Temperature is the mesure of this, the average kinetic energy describes in essence how fast the particles are going.

What does 1) and 2) tell us? Well pressure is controlled by the speed of the particles, and how many of them are in the space. In thermodynamics the equation PV=nRT is used. R is a constant. n is the number of mol (a measure of the number of particles). This says the pressure and volume (V) are related to temperature (speed) and the amount (n).

This says that a hotter volume of the same substance will need to expand to maintain its outward pressure. A colder thing will contract. This is the process of hotter and colder liquids and gases becoming less dense or more dense.

FINAL (Q and A): A: Does hotter air rise? B: Or does cold air displace the hot air causing it to rise?

Well let's test the fist one, hotter implies that it is hotter then something. So if it is hotter then the air around it, the air will expand, the pressure will decrease (since PV is constant) and high pressure, lower density air will push it up: displacing it. Here we see the issue with the question: both A and B are true. If B were not, and cold air wasn't available then there would be no difference in densities, no difference in pressures, and nothing would change. You can not have A without B, and B without A, and mostly this is because a pressure gradient is necessary for changes to occur.

Could you have two gases where the hotter of the two was on the bottom? Yes. A light gas like helium, less dense because its molecules hate each other (personified; sorry), will float all the way out of the earth's atmosphere, leaving hot desert air below.
source: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/6329/does-hot-air-really-rise
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Reply #29 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:50pm
 
aussie100percent wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:42am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 9:12am:
Great news, looking forward to my ocean front views


Wink Wink  Bloody great catching KING GEORGE WHITING FROM THE FRONT VERANDA   



Nope sorry, the cults got that one covered too, all sea life will be destroyed by acidification so no fish for you.  Smiley
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