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Reply #15 - Mar 7^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

ISIS 'bulldozed' ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud: Iraq govt

The ISIS group began bulldozing the ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud in northern Iraq on Thursday, the tourism and antiquities ministry said.

The self-proclaimed State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) "assaulted the historic city of Nimrud and bulldozed it with heavy vehicles," the ministry said on an official Facebook page, the group's latest attack on the country's historical heritage.

Last week, ISIS released a video featuring the destruction of artefacts in the Mosul Museum and statues at the palace at Ninevah. ISIS militants then said that they were next planning to move on to Nimrud.

ISIS has not yet released video footage of Thursday's demolition.

ISIS militants bulldoze ancient city of Nimrud
While Iraqi forces are readying to recapture Mosul, ISIS militants have released a video, showing the looting and bulldozing of statues and carvings in Mosul museum that were thousands of years old.

http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2015/03/07/isis-militants-bulldoze-ancient-cit...

Muslim enlightenment at work.

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: The value of Islamic scholarship Reply #16 - Mar 7^th, 2015 at 9:56pm Who set up ISIS? Who funds them? In 2003 there was great destruction of ancient sites in Iraq. There were also thefts of artifacts from museums and libraries Who caused that? Do you remember who invaded Iraq in 2003? 1.4 million dead Iraqis WMDs right?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42342	Re: The value of Islamic scholarship Reply #17 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:35pm Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 7:30pm: ISIS Muslim enlightenment at work. How about we change that to, "Some Muslims' enlightenment at work," Soren? More accurate and of course, more representational of what occurred. ISIS represents a small minority of Muslims' views on anything...
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Reply #18 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

ISIS
Muslim enlightenment at work.

How about we change that to, "Some Muslims' enlightenment at work," Soren?

More accurate and of course, more representational of what occurred. ISIS represents a small minority of Muslims' views on anything... Roll Eyes

They represent Islam's view of pre-Islamic cultures and societies - idols of idolaters idolaters and pagans which are to be destroyed. And so they are impeccably Islamic, as were the Talibs who blew up those giant Buddha statues.

These 'some' Muslims are everywhere, Brain, everywhere, and they are all self-justifying by the same Islamic outlook. They are ONLY doing it because it is an Islamic teaching. No other reason.

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Reply #19 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 1:08pm

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

Saudi Cleric Reveals The Sun Rotates Around The Earth

A Saudi Arabian cleric has made a groundbreaking discovery that could redefine science in the 21st century –- the Earth does not rotate. What’s more, the sun is orbiting the static body, not the other way around.

The breakthrough was made by Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari, who delivered his thesis during a recent lecture in the United Arab Emirates, having been asked by a student about the movement of the planet.

Reported by al Arabiya, the Sheikh replied that Earth is “stationary and does not move,” explaining his research by noting that airplanes would not be able to reach their destination were the Earth spinning on its axis.
The newspaper said the Sheikh went on to dismiss the traditional Copernican astronomical model, insisting that any science countering his “stationary” theory, namely NASA’s lunar missions, was fabricated by Hollywood.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/17/saudi-cleric-reveals-the-sun-rotates-...

I can't say much really.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/webtv/reports/2015/02/16/Saudi-cleric-rejects-th...

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Reply #20 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

ISIS
Muslim enlightenment at work.

How about we change that to, "Some Muslims' enlightenment at work," Soren?

More accurate and of course, more representational of what occurred. ISIS represents a small minority of Muslims' views on anything... Roll Eyes

They represent Islam's view of pre-Islamic cultures and societies - idols of idolaters idolaters and pagans which are to be destroyed. And so they are impeccably Islamic, as were the Talibs who blew up those giant Buddha statues.

These 'some' Muslims are everywhere, Brain, everywhere, and they are all self-justifying by the same Islamic outlook. They are ONLY doing it because it is an Islamic teaching. No other reason.

If we change the names, Soren, the story remains the same:

"There "some" Christians, everywhere, Soren, everywhere, and they all self-justifying by the same Christian outlook. They are ONLY doing it because it is a Christian teaching. No other reason."

The reality is that some 1 in 4 Americans who haven't heard or understood that Copernicus identified the Sun as the centre of our Solar System. Were you aware that? What's the betting that most identified as "Christian"? So, Sprint's attempt to portray all Muslims as simpletons fails dismally in that regard. I've often wondered what the results are for Australia?

The reality is that for every ignorance that someone like you ascribes to their Islamophobia, there is an equivalent amongst Christians, Soren. What is that Joseph Kony believes in again?? Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

ISIS
Muslim enlightenment at work.

How about we change that to, "Some Muslims' enlightenment at work," Soren?

More accurate and of course, more representational of what occurred. ISIS represents a small minority of Muslims' views on anything... Roll Eyes

They represent Islam's view of pre-Islamic cultures and societies - idols of idolaters idolaters and pagans which are to be destroyed. And so they are impeccably Islamic, as were the Talibs who blew up those giant Buddha statues.

These 'some' Muslims are everywhere, Brain, everywhere, and they are all self-justifying by the same Islamic outlook. They are ONLY doing it because it is an Islamic teaching. No other reason.

If we change the names, Soren, the story remains the same:

"There "some" Christians, everywhere, Soren, everywhere, and they all self-justifying by the same Christian outlook. They are ONLY doing it because it is a Christian teaching. No other reason."

The reality is that some 1 in 4 Americans who haven't heard or understood that Copernicus identified the Sun as the centre of our Solar System. Were you aware that? What's the betting that most identified as "Christian"? So, Sprint's attempt to portray all Muslims as simpletons fails dismally in that regard. I've often wondered what the results are for Australia?

The reality is that for every ignorance that someone like you ascribes to their Islamophobia, there is an equivalent amongst Christians, Soren. What is that Joseph Kony believes in again?? Roll Eyes

Thank you, eyewateringly, incredibly stupid %^&$#%%.

How many monuments have American Evangelical Christians blown up because they are pagan affronts? I can't believe you are not a 4 year old, Brain. You surprise me with your utter stupidity every day.

Love it. Keep 'em coming. I have never come across an idiot like you, ever. Most people would have a sense of shame when they are so stupid - but not you. Keep posting, this is worth logging on for.

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Reply #22 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm

Islam has all the intellectual heavies in its corner. Lucky Ummah.

Teenager Brusthom Ziamani jailed for planning to behead British soldier

A teenage London Muslim convert who idolised the killers of Lee Rigby was jailed for 22 years at the Old Bailey today for planning a copycat public beheading of a British soldier.

Brusthom Ziamani was 18 when he was arrested with a hammer, knife and black Islamic flag walking through Whitechapel.

Moments earlier he had told his then girlfriend he planned to decapitate a soldier and hold up his severed head for a friend to take a photograph.

He even spoke of attacking Prime Minister David Cameron if he ever got the chance.

Ziamani, now 19 of Camberwell, was convicted at the Old Bailey of preparing for acts of terrorism.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jailed-muslim-convert-who-idolised-lee-rigb...

And don't you FURKAN DERYA to expect Muslims to assimilate. That's wacists and Islamophobic - much worse, MUCH, MUCH worse than wanting to behead people.

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Reply #23 - Mar 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49am

response, to post #22

It is very sad, that such people, that so many people, are 'taken in', and have become so enthralled by, and are attracted to, a philosophy such as ISLAM.

Very sad.

But also, that such people are attracted to a philosophy such as ISLAM, speaks to their character and their 'nature'.

Dictionary;
enthral = =
1 capture the fascinated attention of.
2 enslave.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #24 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 11:03am

A fascinating insight into the reasons for the narrowness of the Arabic mind.

Why Arabs Hate Reading

...writing that has only consonants must be understood before it can be read, while writing that has both consonants and vowels reverses that process.

With consonants alone, the consonants act as hints, but the reader has to fill in the missing vowel sounds, as in “Ll mn r crtd ql” or “Nc pn tm thr ws lttl prncss.” This seems easy enough, at first glance. With both consonants and vowels, on the other hand, you read it first and then go on to figure out what it means, as in “Look out the window and bring me the nail file.” In Olson’s academese, with consonantal writing “interpretation precedes decipherment,” while with alphabetic writing “decipherment precedes interpretation.”

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it’s no secret that the Arab world has a huge literacy problem, though most of us in the West are unaware of just how severe it is. Not only are very few books published in Arabic overall, virtually none are translated into Arabic from other languages. This intellectual starvation and isolation contrasts with the many millions of books published in, and the hundreds of thousands translated into, alphabetic languages each year.

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...if one message can be harder to grasp than another—as is clearly the case—then reading that message in consonantal writing like Arabic, which relies on readers grasping it first, is harder by definition. In practice, also by definition, such writing will not only discourage reading, it will also inevitably favor messages that are simple and familiar over those that are complex and challenging (which might explain why the yardstick of literacy in the Arab world is rote memorization of the Quran).

In other words, consonantal writing by definition is a recipe for poor literacy.

By definition.

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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: The value of Islamic scholarship Reply #25 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:14pm Bomb them. With books. Proper ones, not the Koran. Middle East = solved. Next issue?
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Reply #26 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 5:40pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Bomb them. With books. Proper ones, not the Koran.

Middle East = solved. Next issue?

They can't read.
Nearly 40% of Muslim world’s population unable read or write (mostly women).

But the ones that can read mostly don't - very few books are published in Arabic overall, virtually none are translated into Arabic from other languages.

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Reply #27 - Jun 7^th, 2015 at 10:18am

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Bomb them.

With books.

Proper ones, not the Koran.

Middle East = solved. Next issue?

That is no [effective] solution, when the idea of free thought is suppressed.

When merely PROMOTING the spread, of the idea of free thought [and free expression], is a capital crime!

Among Arabs/moslems, the Koran [almost soley!] is an approved reading source....

Whereas, many 'un-ISLAMIC' books [containing 'un-ISLAMIC' ideas!] are not approved reading precisely because many of those books [which are NOT the Koran] allow and even encourage [real] contemplation.

Dictionary;
contemplation = =
1 the action of contemplating.
2 religious meditation. a form of prayer in which a person seeks a direct experience of the divine.

Devout moslems have grown up from childhood, commanded all of their lives [by their fathers, and then by their religious leaders] that they must reject all un-ISLAMIC ideas.

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

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And the authority which demands that moslems must reject all un-ISLAMIC ideas [not approved by ISLAMIC dictate], comes from, .....ISLAM itself.

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"O ye who believe! Take not - MY ENEMIES - and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

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And these dictates of the moslem faith, EVEN HAVE CURRENCY AMONG THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, THAT LIVES HERE, IN AUSTRALIA!!!

Moslems, teach other moslems, from childhood, to have utter hatred for the un-ISLAMIC.

Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Says one of these MONSTERS.

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

WATCH THE YOUTUBE, AND SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES, HOW MOSLEM CHILDREN, LIVING IN AUSTRALIA, ARE ROUTINELY BEING TAUGHT [AS A PART OF THEIR RELIGION] BY MOSLEM ADULTS, TO HATE THEIR FELLOW AUSTRALIANS WHO ARE NOT MOSLEMS.

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A good moslem must have hatred for those who do not believe as he believes [for those who reject ISLAM].

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #29 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 4:24pm

You will never get muslims to look for a solution to their illiteracy.

To do this they have to examine and resolve the defects in the Arabic language.

islam will never allow it:

qur'an 12.2: Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.

qur'an 42.7: And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur'an that you may warn the Mother of Cities [Makkah] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze.

qur'an 26.192: "And truly this (the Qur'an) is a revelation from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists),

qur'an 26.193; which the trustworthy Ruh (Jibril) has brought down

qur'an 26.194: upon your heart (O Muhammad) that you may be (one) of the warners,

qur'an 26.195: in the plain Arabic language."

qur'an 41.3:"A Book whereof the verses are explained in detail, a Qur'an in Arabic for people who know."

Arabic is the language of the qur'an and allah, muslims are stuck with their analphabetism.

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