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Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Jan 31st, 2015 at 11:21am
 
Matthew 10:34 " "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Tony Blair believed God wanted him to go to war to fight evil, claims his mentor


The former Prime Minister's faith is claimed to have influenced all his key policy decisions and to have given him an unshakeable conviction that he was right.

John Burton, Mr Blair's political agent in his Sedgefield constituency for 24 years, says that Labour's most successful ever leader – in terms of elections won – was driven by the belief that "good should triumph over evil".

"It's very simple to explain the idea of Blair the Warrior," he says. "It was part of Tony living out his faith."

Mr Blair has previously admitted that he was influenced by his Christian faith, but Mr Burton reveals for the first time the strength of his religious zeal.

Mr Burton makes the comments in a book he has written, and which is published this week, called "We Don't Do God".
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In it he portrays a prime minister determined to follow a Christian agenda despite attempts to silence him from talking about his faith.

"While he was at Number 10, Tony was virtually gagged on the whole question of religion," says Mr Burton.

"Alastair [Campbell] was convinced it would get him into trouble with the voters.

"But Tony's Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better."

Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair's mentor, says that his religion gave him a "total belief in what's right and what's wrong", leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as "a moral cause".

"I truly believe that his Christianity affected his policy-making on just about everything from aid to Africa, education, poverty, world debt and intervening in other countries when he thought it was right to do it.

"The fervour was part of him and it comes back to it being Christian fervour that spurred him into action for better or worse."

Mr Burton says that inherent in Mr Blair's faith was the belief that people should be treated fairly: "He applied that same principle in everything he did – from establishing the Social Exclusion Unit to ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, and ridding Iraq of the evils of Saddam Hussein's rule."

The comments will add to the suspicions of Mr Blair's critics, who fear he saw the Iraq war in a similar light to former US President George W Bush, who used religious rhetoric in talking about the conflict, as well as the war in Afghanistan, describing them as "a crusade".

Last week, Donald Rumsfeld, the former US defence secretary, was accused of sending the Mr Bush memos during the Iraq war that featured quotes from the Bible alongside images of American soldiers.

Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.

Mr Blair was not worried by people questioning his decisions, Mr Burton says, but was "genuinely shocked if they questioned his morality because there was never a dividing line between his politics and Christianity".

Although key advisers such as Mr Campbell tried to stop him talking about his faith while prime minister – famously declaring "we don't go God" – Mr Burton says that he was nevertheless determined to fight secularism.

Mr Burton, who coauthored the book with Eileen McCabe, a journalist, said Mr Blair wanted to "buffet the secular society that dominated life in Britain" and thought it was "time to nudge it in the other direction".

Tony Blair complained in 2007 that he had been unable to talk about his faith while in office as he would have been perceived as "a nutter".

"It's difficult if you talk about religious faith in our political system," he said. "If you are in the American political system or others then you can talk about religious faith and people say 'yes, that's fair enough' and it is something they respond to quite naturally. You talk about it in our system and, frankly, people do think you're a nutter."

Since leaving Downing Street, he has set up the Tony Blair Faith Foundation and given a number of interviews about his faith.

Last month, he challenged the attitudes of the Pope on homosexuality, and argued that it is time for him to "rethink" his views.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5373525/Tony-Blair-believed-God-wanted-
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Re: Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Reply #1 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 12:52pm
 
wally1 wrote Quote:
Matthew 10:34 " "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Sword = the Word of God

Ephesians 6.17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4.12: 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Revelations 2.16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelations 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The sword of God is the spoken truth, it will destroy islam eventually.


Also:

The British armed forces are secular.

How many  Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Agnostic etc. British defence personnel went to war believing they were morally right, they were fighting for a just cause, in order that "good should triumph over evil"? 
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Re: Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Reply #2 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 12:55pm
 



Tony Blair, the strong, committed Christian.....

Well, maybe!



Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.







Tony Blair seems to have 'changed his tune', on the 'virtue' of ISLAM.

!!!!!



Previous to the murder of Lee Rigby, Tony Blair was often heard to praise ISLAM, as being a peaceful religion, and Tony Blair notably claimed in that he would often read the Koran each night, before going sleep.

The implication being that;
Tony Blair, had read the Koran, first-hand, so, he was a person who was well situated to publicly declare the virtue of ISLAM !


Google;
Tony Blair, quran bedside

Google;
Tony Blair, "read through the Koran twice" keeps it by his bedside




However, post the murder of Lee Rigby, Tony Blair now says;

'the ideology behind his murder is profound and dangerous'
  !!!




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Quote:

"Tony Blair today makes his most powerful political intervention since leaving Downing Street by launching an outspoken attack on ‘the problem within Islam’. 

The former Prime Minister addresses the shocking killing of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich by going further than he – or any front-rank British politician – has gone before over the issue of Muslim radicalism.   

Writing in today’s Mail on Sunday, he departs from the usual argument that Islam is a peaceful religion that should not be tainted by the actions of a few extremists."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334451/Tony-Blair-says-murder-Lee-Rigby...







What does this all mean ???

Is Tony Blair sincerely trying to 'speak to the truth', of what ISLAM is ?


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Reply #3 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:00pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 12:52pm:
wally1 wrote Quote:
Matthew 10:34 " "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Sword = the Word of God

Ephesians 6.17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4.12: 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Revelations 2.16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelations 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The sword of God is the spoken truth, it will destroy islam eventually.


Also:

The British armed forces are secular.



So was the Iraqi Army, the Ba’ath Party and Saddam’s Republican Guard.

Your point?
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Re: Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Reply #4 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:27pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Previous to the murder of Lee Rigby, Tony Blair was often heard to praise ISLAM, as being a peaceful religion, and Tony Blair notably claimed in that he would often read the Koran each night, before going sleep.

The implication being that;
Tony Blair, had read the Koran, first-hand, so, he was a person who was well situated to publicly declare the virtue of ISLAM !


Google;
Tony Blair, quran bedside

Google;
Tony Blair, "read through the Koran twice" keeps it by his bedside









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I read the Koran every day, says former prime minister Tony Blair who claims it keeps him 'faith-literate'


By Ian Drury for the Daily Mail
Updated: 20:47 EST, 13 June 2011

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Mr Blair has previously praised the Muslim faith as ‘beautiful’ and said the Prophet Mohammed had been ‘an enormously civilizing force’.

In 2006 he said the Koran was a ‘reforming book, it is inclusive.

It extols science and knowledge and abhors superstition.

It is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002883/Tony-Blair-reads-Koran-day-stay-...




ONE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE, IN RESPONSE TO THE ARTICLE [ABOVE].....

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paula, orsett, 3 years ago

Perhaps he [ - Tony Blair] should concentrate a bit more on the bible,

then he might learn something like: you should not steal...you should not give false testimony.....






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Quote:
[the Koran] is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance’.

- Tony Blair





Yadda said....
Quote:

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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #1

The Koran [Allah] instructs moslems to beat disobedient wives, but ever so lightly.

And you know, don't you, that moslem men do beat their wives,...ever so lightly.

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Koran 4.034


Actually, i have read somewhere, that the 'clarifying' insertion "(lightly)", DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ARABIC KORAN.

And that this 'insertion' is [has been] added in some English translations of the Koran - to mislead those readers of the English translation of the Koran, one can only assume.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #2

IMO, within ISLAM, women have the status of cattle or 'fields'.

The Koran [i.e. Allah] states that the woman, the wife, has the status of a field [of earth, 'tilth'].

And her husband may use her [plough her] as he wishes ['how ye will'].

And remember that every word in the Koran, has the sanctity of coming directly from Allah himself.

And remember also, that Allah is never wrong, mistaken.


"Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe."
Koran 2.223

Dictionary;
tilth = = cultivation of land; tillage.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #3

Under ISLAMIC inheritance law.
Any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir.
e.g.
Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate.
The estate is divided into 3 parts.
The son receives 2 parts.
The daughter receives 1 part.

"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half...."
Koran 4.11





Yup.

ISLAMIC law, progressive, and ahead of its time.              Tongue

LOL




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Re: Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:44pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:00pm:
moses wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 12:52pm:
wally1 wrote Quote:
Matthew 10:34 " "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Sword = the Word of God




So was the Iraqi Army, the Ba’ath Party and Saddam’s Republican Guard.


Your point?




The Iraqi Army, the Ba’ath Party and Saddam’s Republican Guard, ISIS, Hamas, Taleban and Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda, et al, all claim to be,
The sword of God
.

But they have ALL revealed themselves to be; raping, pillaging, murdering men,      ....who justify themselves in ISLAM, who justify themselves in the authority that ISLAM confers on them.

They are all liars, and murderers.






The sword of God is [spoken] truth.

The Word of God, is truth.

Jesus, is the word of God.




John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2  The same was in the beginning with God.
3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.





Isaiah 2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3  And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4  And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5  O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.


Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

There is only one saviour/redeemer....

.....the God of Israel.         Smiley


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Yes it has emerged that Blair was secret nutter, unlike the more overtly mad Bush.

But what was Howard's excuse?
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Abbott promised no tax hikes & no cuts to the ABC

There's a 'budget emergency', so we will give $9 billion to the Reserve Bank, spend $12 billion on some dubious jets, $2 billion to bomb Iraq, etc.
 
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wally1 wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 11:21am:
Matthew 10:34 " "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Tony Blair believed God wanted him to go to war to fight evil, claims his mentor


The former Prime Minister's faith is claimed to have influenced all his key policy decisions and to have given him an unshakeable conviction that he was right.

John Burton, Mr Blair's political agent in his Sedgefield constituency for 24 years, says that Labour's most successful ever leader – in terms of elections won – was driven by the belief that "good should triumph over evil".

"It's very simple to explain the idea of Blair the Warrior," he says. "It was part of Tony living out his faith."

Mr Blair has previously admitted that he was influenced by his Christian faith, but Mr Burton reveals for the first time the strength of his religious zeal.

Mr Burton makes the comments in a book he has written, and which is published this week, called "We Don't Do God".
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In it he portrays a prime minister determined to follow a Christian agenda despite attempts to silence him from talking about his faith.

"While he was at Number 10, Tony was virtually gagged on the whole question of religion," says Mr Burton.

"Alastair [Campbell] was convinced it would get him into trouble with the voters.

"But Tony's Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better."




Sorry wally, but 'good triumphing over evil' is not a specifically Christian faith...Islam believes much the same, so does Judaism, Pagans and almost every other religion on Earth...
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Re: Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2015 at 10:50pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:00pm:
moses wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 12:52pm:
wally1 wrote Quote:
Matthew 10:34 " "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Sword = the Word of God




So was the Iraqi Army, the Ba’ath Party and Saddam’s Republican Guard.


Your point?




The Iraqi Army, the Ba’ath Party and Saddam’s Republican Guard, ISIS, Hamas, Taleban and Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda, et al, all claim to be,
The sword of God
.

But they have ALL revealed themselves to be; raping, pillaging, murdering men,      ....who justify themselves in ISLAM, who justify themselves in the authority that ISLAM confers on them.

They are all liars, and murderers.






The sword of God is [spoken] truth.

The Word of God, is truth.

Jesus, is the word of God.




John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2  The same was in the beginning with God.
3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.





Isaiah 2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3  And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4  And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5  O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.


Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

There is only one saviour/redeemer....

.....the God of Israel.         Smiley




That settles that one, Y.

Saddam, the Ba’ath Party and the Republican Guard could not possibly be secular - they don’t worship the God of Israel.

Good point.
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Re: Blair went to war because of his Christian faith
Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 9:24am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2015 at 10:50pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 6:00pm:
moses wrote on Jan 31st, 2015 at 12:52pm:
wally1 wrote Quote:
Matthew 10:34 " "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Sword = the Word of God




So was the Iraqi Army, the Ba’ath Party and Saddam’s Republican Guard.


Your point?




The Iraqi Army, the Ba’ath Party and Saddam’s Republican Guard, ISIS, Hamas, Taleban and Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda, et al, all claim to be,
The sword of God
.

But they have ALL revealed themselves to be; raping, pillaging, murdering men,      ....who justify themselves in ISLAM, who justify themselves in the authority that ISLAM confers on them.

They are all liars, and murderers.



That settles that one, Y.

Saddam, the Ba’ath Party and the Republican Guard could not possibly be secular - they don’t worship the God of Israel.

Good point.






Karnal,

Saddam Hussein always claimed to be a devout moslem.

......in the same way that you, Karnal, here on OzPol, are always want to claim always imply, that you are an intelligent and reasoning human being.

But, 'It ain't necessarily so.'




...

Iraq - Sadam's crossed swords monument




In the ISLAMIC world, the ever present crossed swords motif, surrounding and representing moslem faith,       is meant to be a reminder to all moslems that ISLAM's supremacy and spread, historically, was brought about through the use of the sword.

i.e.
Jihad = = 'holy' and 'righteous'.

i.e.
Those moslems who abandon Jihad, also abandon ISLAM.     [.....i.e. become infidels.]

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THE HADITH....

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari #001.002.025



"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260








...

Bismillah means = = "in the name of Allah"


Bismillah = = the mark of the beast, in the Book of Revelation


www site that contests that opinion....
http://www.godinanutshell.com/project/prophecy/a-new-theory-about-the-mark-of-th...

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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 1:26pm
 
So because saddam has some monuments of swords he was a devout muslim?

Dumbest thing ive ever heard.
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