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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #180 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #181 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:12pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:06pm:

Bundaberg ... 22.4% swing to ALP. That's got to hurt.

uh oh - look out, the libs are whinging of an evil union conspiracy in Bundaberg already on the ABC.

I don't know anything about this election gandalf as I haven't followed a single second of it but the ALP and Trade Unions do have some past form on underhand tactics.

I read "To the Bitter End" and the tactics agreed by the Union movement in 2007 v Howard were pretty sordid and dishonest.

Oh but you got to admit Andrei, the association between the Business Unions and the LNP are incestuously close and employ some of the most sordid tactics in Aust politics. And the way the Business Unions have been in bed with the Abbott government since the election with all these closed door lobbyists, overseas Govt/Business jaunts to stitch up free trade agreements for themselves and appointments to conduct so called "independent enquiries". If the workers Unions had done anything like that with labor you would have been up in arms but you totally ignore the dishonesty and corruption of it when the Business Unions and the LNP do it. Again its this age of entitlement where your side of politics believes that you are entitled to run politicians and rort the system.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #182 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:29pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 9:44pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 9:40pm:

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9.35pm. Then there’s Maryborough, which Labor will win if Chris Foley doesn’t finish ahead of them. With 27 of 30 booths, the primary votes are 29.6% for the LNP, 25.3% for Labor and 22.1% for Foley. Whether Foley closes the gap depends on preferences, which we won’t know about this evening. That includes 12.6% for Palmer United and 10.4% for others.

9.30pm. So here’s the seats I’ll be over like a rash from now on, namely Labor’s shortest path to 45 off its base of 42:

Ferny Grove. Labor leads by 0.9%, three booths outstanding.

Mansfield. 50.0-50.0, four booths outstanding.

Mount Ommaney. Labor leads by 0.7%, four booths outstanding.

Whitsunday. Labor leads by 0.3%, four booths outstanding.

9.26pm. Pumicestone has moved hard to Labor: lead now of 3.0%. Perhaps we’re seeing different dynamics in Caboolture and Bribie Island, with the count ping-ponging as booths from either end report.

If you don’t live in Australia, why would you care?

If you're an Australian you'd care about the federal government election because the country represents you and makes foreign policy decisions that impact you.
Also they make decisions which impact you and your assets/superannuation etc that you've left in Australia.

However state elections. It's bizarre would give a toss about who is elected in a state in which they don't live.
If it doesn't affect you, then really they can elect the communist party for all I care.

Federal though, that's a whole different ball game. We all care there.

But people on here not from QLD happy or disappointed at a result that doesn't affect them?
Most odd...

Apart from most people (though not you) caring about their fellow man, what you seem to be missing is that some state elections and especially this Qld election, have very powerful implications for the federal government. There is a very big chance this election result will change not just the leader but also the policy direction of the Federal Government, that impacts on people all over the country. Now if you don't understand that maybe you should give up watching politics and just throw yourself into your accounting work where you may not be out of your depth.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #183 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:32pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

How long were you here for?

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #184 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:36pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

Let's just conveniently ignore the $10 billion we taxpayers pump into fossil fuel subsidies, and the trillions dished off world wide. Greatest con ever given that burning anything beyond a third of the world's reserves takes us into extremely dangerous territory.

Money for nothing.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #185 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:41pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

How long were you here for?

but how long he was here doesn't matter to Andrei. If, while he was here he paid $1 tax, he wants it back, otherwise he sees it as him being cheated. Right wing philosophy. Take all the benefits you can and pay nothing.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #186 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:14am

MOTR wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

Let's just conveniently ignore the $10 billion we taxpayers pump into fossil fuel subsidies, and the trillions dished off world wide. Greatest con ever given that burning anything beyond a third of the world's reserves takes us into extremely dangerous territory.

Money for nothing.

Ah now you hit an area that comes under my set of P&Ls in AsiaPac.
Mainly our subsidy on Australian based upstream technology.

Do you know what those subsidies are for?

They are tax rebates based on R&D to improve processes for cleaner air, damage to extraction points, reduced seepage of hazardous by products in the drill process.
You don't think you get anything there?

How about cleaner environment, cheaper energy sourcing, local jobs, taxable revenue streams from our Australian subsidies....

Every part of the energy based subsidy scheme is pumped back into process improvements which benefit you the Australian taxpayer.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #187 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:23am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:14am:

MOTR wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

Let's just conveniently ignore the $10 billion we taxpayers pump into fossil fuel subsidies, and the trillions dished off world wide. Greatest con ever given that burning anything beyond a third of the world's reserves takes us into extremely dangerous territory.

Money for nothing.

Ah now you hit an area that comes under my set of P&Ls in AsiaPac.
Mainly our subsidy on Australian based upstream technology.

Do you know what those subsidies are for?

They are tax rebates based on R&D to improve processes for cleaner air, damage to extraction points, reduced seepage of hazardous by products in the drill process.
You don't think you get anything there?

How about cleaner environment, cheaper energy sourcing, local jobs, taxable revenue streams from our Australian subsidies....

Every part of the energy based subsidy scheme is pumped back into process improvements which benefit you the Australian taxpayer.

Sounds like you don't need any "direct action" subsidies, sorry .... donations.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #188 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:25am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

How long were you here for?

but how long he was here doesn't matter to Andrei. If, while he was here he paid $1 tax, he wants it back, otherwise he sees it as him being cheated. Right wing philosophy. Take all the benefits you can and pay nothing.

True. Andrei said he went to school here for two years, and only voted in one erection. Any tax he paid was on a rental property he inherited, which he sold long ago and has no assets left in Australia. He was very happy about that, because the leftards were in power then and the country was going to the dogs.

Having no assets left in Australia, he only has a debt: one unpaid fine for putting his feet on the seats, which he shouldn’t have to pay because the security guard was a trumped up little darkie with a chip on his shoulder.

Why should he care about the Queensland government? He’ll be packing the in laws in Townsville off to Shady Pines as soon as they sign the papers.

Until then, he’s asset negative.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #189 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:32am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:14am:

MOTR wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

Let's just conveniently ignore the $10 billion we taxpayers pump into fossil fuel subsidies, and the trillions dished off world wide. Greatest con ever given that burning anything beyond a third of the world's reserves takes us into extremely dangerous territory.

Money for nothing.

Ah now you hit an area that comes under my set of P&Ls in AsiaPac.
Mainly our subsidy on Australian based upstream technology.

Do you know what those subsidies are for?

They are tax rebates based on R&D to improve processes for cleaner air, damage to extraction points, reduced seepage of hazardous by products in the drill process.
You don't think you get anything there?

How about cleaner environment, cheaper energy sourcing, local jobs, taxable revenue streams from our Australian subsidies....

Every part of the energy based subsidy scheme is pumped back into process improvements which benefit you the Australian taxpayer.

And now he’s spruiking the benefits of environmental subsidies because they benefit his P&Ls in AsiaPac.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #190 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:38am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

Howard's was one of if not the the highest taxing govts we have had recently. Who did he take it from to give to you?

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #191 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 2:01am

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:38am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

Howard's was one of if not the the highest taxing govts we have had recently. Who did he take it from to give to you?

Not Howard, Abbott. Andrei’s happy because his P&Ls in AsiaPac get Direct Action subsidies off the Abbott government.

No wonder Andrei only cares about the Feds. The Queensland government isn’t slinging in a thing.

That’s right. Australia is open for business.

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #192 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 4:15am

Andrei thinks that income tax is the only tax, and has yet to arrive at the simple Nirvana that governments never take less tax, but only shuffle the board so as to recoup the same or more while making it look like they are giving you something.

Besides, I thought Andrei was a Pom born and bred and he often confuses the Brit 85% or whatever income tax with Australia... it's jet lag from all those free flights.

Actually he's a tremendous Walter Mitty....

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Re: Exit polls dire for LNP Government.
Reply #194 - Feb 1^st, 2015 at 6:51am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 1^st, 2015 at 12:14am:

MOTR wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 11:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:56pm:

I don’t vote for political parties as my user name implies. The LNP are a party of businessmen for businessmen. This is true of most conservative parties worldwide. They don’t see anything worthwhile beyond the bottom line. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that point of view until they try to set themselves up for when they are out of office by duping the tax payer. Which is just what the LNP hope to do with the asset sales.

The issue though I've always had with parties of the left is they try and take more and more of what I work hard for so they can hand it to losers.
At least guys like Howard gave me something back for a change.

Let's just conveniently ignore the $10 billion we taxpayers pump into fossil fuel subsidies, and the trillions dished off world wide. Greatest con ever given that burning anything beyond a third of the world's reserves takes us into extremely dangerous territory.

Money for nothing.

Ah now you hit an area that comes under my set of P&Ls in AsiaPac.
Mainly our subsidy on Australian based upstream technology.

Do you know what those subsidies are for?

They are tax rebates based on R&D to improve processes for cleaner air, damage to extraction points, reduced seepage of hazardous by products in the drill process.
You don't think you get anything there?

How about cleaner environment, cheaper energy sourcing, local jobs, taxable revenue streams from our Australian subsidies....

Every part of the energy based subsidy scheme is pumped back into process improvements which benefit you the Australian taxpayer.

Misleading once again.

That's where a fraction of these subsidies go.

Are you some sort of con artist, Andrei.

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