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Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:18pm
 
So far, no one’s even suggested why the husband of the Queen would be awarded a knighthood by an antipodean Prime Minister. The Duke of Edinburgh Awards don’t come close as a reason for "services to Australia".

As a student back in the 70s, Tony Abbott posted pictures of the queen and the pope around Sydney Uni as a reaction against the left’s pictures of Che Guevara. It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

Or was it?

Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal. He says now it was all a big mistake, but was it really?

Could it have been an attempt to resurrect a debate on the monarchy? Was it part of a campaign to consolidate support for the royals in what, in the Queen’s final years, will result in the succession of Charles IV? Was Tony Abbott simply making a sincere gesture of gratitude towards a senior royal in the last stages of life? Or was his "captain’s pick" simply his authoritarian loyalist streak on display in a bizarre Oedipal prank gone wrong?

To date, no one’s even questioned the motives - or the reasons - for such a move. Most tellingly, least of all Abbott himself.

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Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:22pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:18pm:
Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal.


Because he (Abbott that is) is an idiot?
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Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:23pm
 
Why not?? His son, Prince Charles got one in 1981.

Gee it couldn't be because he (Prince Phillip) is the husband of the Monarch of Australia, could it???
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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:27pm
 
I didn't think it was a big deal, I couldn't care less about this one. The guy has done a lot for Australia it isn't real outrageous.

Abbott said that he would only give awards to Australians to keep his consistency on election promises this means that he had to give one to a non Australian and their is probably not a lot of other possibilities..
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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:28pm
 
Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:32pm
 
Wolseley wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:18pm:
Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal.


Because he (Abbott that is) is an idiot?


Abbott’s a warrior of the far-right who has never been known to do things by halves.

The Abbott-as-idiot line was displayed on the front page of last week’s Courier Mail with the mock-up of Abbott as a court jester. This, however, only explains the audience reaction, not the motives themselves.

Abbott knighted two men: a distinguished ex-commander of the ADF, and a cantankerous, racist old bastard in mothballed suits. One of these men is a complete irrelevance, and always has been.

Apart from Philip’s use as future fossil fuel, what reasons could Abbott possibly have to knight him?
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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:28pm:
Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.


Yeah, but that is from the drum...if Abbott went for a walk across Lake Burley Griffin, the ABC headlines would be "Tony Abbott can't swim"
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Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:37pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:23pm:
Why not?? His son, Prince Charles got one in 1981.

Gee it couldn't be because he (Prince Phillip) is the husband of the Monarch of Australia, could it???


1981 was the year of Royal Wedding fever. Charles got a knighthood for selling Packer’s magazines and Murdoch’s tabloids.

Who in their right mind would ever give out a knighthood - the way of elevating commoners for their service - to the husband of the monarch of Australia?
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Dnarever wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:27pm:
I didn't think it was a big deal, I couldn't care less about this one. The guy has done a lot for Australia it isn't real outrageous.

Abbott said that he would only give awards to Australians to keep his consistency on election promises this means that he had to give one to a non Australian and their is probably not a lot of other possibilities..


All Philip’s ever done for Australia is try to look inconspicuous on boring trips meeting spear-throwing  natives and complain that he can’t even get a decent cup of tea.

The idea that he’s a distinguished Australian has been well and truly put to rest. The question is why Abbott would put his neck out by awarding him with Australia’s highest honour.
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Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:43pm
 
1981 is not 2015.

That was the time when we had a conservative PM who put on a pompous British accent for crying out loud. Australian citizens were still subjects of the British Empire if you can believe that.
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Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:45pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:32pm:
Wolseley wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:18pm:
Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal.


Because he (Abbott that is) is an idiot?


Abbott’s a warrior of the far-right who has never been known to do things by halves.

The Abbott-as-idiot line was displayed on the front page of last week’s Courier Mail with the mock-up of Abbott as a court jester. This, however, only explains the audience reaction, not the motives themselves.

Abbott knighted two men: a distinguished ex-commander of the ADF, and a cantankerous, racist old bastard in mothballed suits. One of these men is a complete irrelevance, and always has been.

Apart from Philip’s use as future fossil fuel, what reasons could Abbott possibly have to knight him?



They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but goodness me if one takes a step back and digests your comments they're so unbelievably cutting , well done  Smiley
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Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:43pm:
1981 is not 2015.

That was the time when we had a conservative PM who put on a pompous British accent for crying out loud. Australian citizens were still subjects of the British Empire if you can believe that.


No, we weren't...we were still 'members of the Commonwealth', just like we are now. But we haven't been British subjects since 1901.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:28pm:
Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.


Sure, it was definitely a way to assert his authority. But why would he waste such precious political capital on such an irrelevant call?

Keating called Abbott a "young fogey". He argued that there’s few in Australia as socially conservative as Abbott.

But this is pomp at its most hollow and superficial. It’s so meaningless no one can understand the reason for it.

I’m wondering if it was meant as a kind of Situationist prank like making himself Minister of Women’s Affairs just to piss off JuLiar.

But I doubt Abbott jokes about "serious" subjects like nearly-dead royals.
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Reply #13 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:53pm
 
wrong again gizmo:

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Australian law retained the status of British subject until the Australian Citizenship Amendment Act 1984 removed Part II of the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 on 1 May 1987.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_subject

I know, I couldn't believe it when I first heard it either.
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Reply #14 - Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:58pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:42pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 10:27pm:
I didn't think it was a big deal, I couldn't care less about this one. The guy has done a lot for Australia it isn't real outrageous.

Abbott said that he would only give awards to Australians to keep his consistency on election promises this means that he had to give one to a non Australian and their is probably not a lot of other possibilities..


All Philip’s ever done for Australia is try to look inconspicuous on boring trips meeting spear-throwing  natives and complain that he can’t even get a decent cup of tea.

The idea that he’s a distinguished Australian has been well and truly put to rest. The question is why Abbott would put his neck out by awarding him with Australia’s highest honour.


Well he won't get a Job in Australia when he gets the arse , perhaps he apires to be genuine court jester, articulating the  humorous dialogue won't present any problems, no script required ,a funny suit , and abort will have a job for life, I hear those royal toffs don't mind compensating their abstract comedians handsomely.
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