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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #45 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:11am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:03am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 6:59am:

Karnal,
have I not been saying for some time that big spending , ex catholic priest, Tony Abbott is a labor mole in the liberal party.
He has played his role well, almost like those Russian "sleeper" spies who were raised with American families and "activated" decades later.

The Jesuit priesthood tony tried to join is the ABSOLUTE COMPLETE OTHER END OF THE UNIVERSE to the the business council of Australia,

Tony has been reactivated and now seeks to destroy the right side of politics from within.

He is NOT A DUMMY.

He knew this would be the master stroke to foil Campbell and ensure that compassionate, big spending labor won in QLD and the big business (which at his core he despises) would be thwarted. His timing is impeccable.
He will wreck the liberal party (which he despises...even if only in a subcounscious way).

You are a smart guy K. Surely you can see this is a deliberate strategy of termiting his own organisation.
This is obvious to me. I'm sure if you wash the dust from your eyes you will see tony for the complex DLP type person that he is. The Bob Santamaria seeking vengeance on all that old money , blue blood liberals

OK I don't want to hear you accusing anyone of mindlessly following stupid conspiracy theories ever again.

yeah, maybe an exaggeration.

every now and then, I get a kelpie that looks like its the real deal, but it just has a brain snap and starts killing chooks and goes completely "off the reservation"

its no good pretending its going to get better .

Its better to admit, I made a mistake, the things gone feral . And then get the vet to bring out the lethobarbitone injection.
Its the only humane solution really.

Herding instinct is a misdirection of the dog predatory instinct. Why not offer the dog to the RSPCA for rehousing in the cities?

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #46 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:17am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:06am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38am:

Well there you go. I think you got your answer. He's a monarchist at heart.

And he is the head of Government in a nation that voted to preserve its monarchy... No anachronism there.

Where else would you expect to find an overtly monarchist PM if not in a monarchist state?

Almost nowhere. Outside the Melbourne Club and Aboriginal communities, there are few monarchists left in Australia.

Australia never voted for a monarchy. It rejected a politically appointed head of state. Australia is not a comfortable monarchy, unlike Jordan or Thailand, for example, where the King is deeply popular. Australians don’t really care either way.

Which is what makes Tony Abbott’s monarchist convictions so inscrutable. No one understands Abbott, or knows where he’s coming from.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #47 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:17am

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:09am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 6:59am:

Karnal,
have I not been saying for some time that big spending , ex catholic priest, Tony Abbott is a labor mole in the liberal party.
He has played his role well, almost like those Russian "sleeper" spies who were raised with American families and "activated" decades later.

The Jesuit priesthood tony tried to join is the ABSOLUTE COMPLETE OTHER END OF THE UNIVERSE to the the business council of Australia,

Tony has been reactivated and now seeks to destroy the right side of politics from within.

He is NOT A DUMMY.

He knew this would be the master stroke to foil Campbell and ensure that compassionate, big spending labor won in QLD and the big business (which at his core he despises) would be thwarted. His timing is impeccable.
He will wreck the liberal party (which he despises...even if only in a subcounscious way).

You are a smart guy K. Surely you can see this is a deliberate strategy of termiting his own organisation.
This is obvious to me. I'm sure if you wash the dust from your eyes you will see tony for the complex DLP type person that he is. The Bob Santamaria seeking vengeance on all that old money , blue blood liberals

The strange thing is, dear, Tony Abbott is trying to do the exact opposite. I can understand how you’ve come to your conclusions though.

Would you like to take a stab at the question of why Abbott did it?

Remember, these honours lists aren’t secrets. They’re national announcements.

he has been in politics all his life K.
he MUST have known this would embarrass his party and cost Campbell votes.
he MUST.

even the stunt free horse and the Light would know that.

Therefore, as a student of greek logic, he did it to
DO MAXIMAL DAMAGE TO HIS OWN PARTY.

he is a deeply conflicted individual.
You would have to be to be a Jesuit priest and head of the liberal party.

His persona is fragmented.
He is a rudderless ship my friend.
He is a hazard to shipping.
He needs to be sunk Wink

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #48 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:21am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:03am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 6:59am:

Karnal,
have I not been saying for some time that big spending , ex catholic priest, Tony Abbott is a labor mole in the liberal party.
He has played his role well, almost like those Russian "sleeper" spies who were raised with American families and "activated" decades later.

The Jesuit priesthood tony tried to join is the ABSOLUTE COMPLETE OTHER END OF THE UNIVERSE to the the business council of Australia,

Tony has been reactivated and now seeks to destroy the right side of politics from within.

He is NOT A DUMMY.

He knew this would be the master stroke to foil Campbell and ensure that compassionate, big spending labor won in QLD and the big business (which at his core he despises) would be thwarted. His timing is impeccable.
He will wreck the liberal party (which he despises...even if only in a subcounscious way).

You are a smart guy K. Surely you can see this is a deliberate strategy of termiting his own organisation.
This is obvious to me. I'm sure if you wash the dust from your eyes you will see tony for the complex DLP type person that he is. The Bob Santamaria seeking vengeance on all that old money , blue blood liberals

OK I don't want to hear you accusing anyone of mindlessly following stupid conspiracy theories ever again.

yeah, maybe an exaggeration.

every now and then, I get a kelpie that looks like its the real deal, but it just has a brain snap and starts killing chooks and goes completely "off the reservation"

its no good pretending its going to get better .

Its better to admit, I made a mistake, the things gone feral . And then get the vet to bring out the lethobarbitone injection.
Its the only humane solution really.

Herding instinct is a misdirection of the dog predatory instinct. Why not offer the dog to the RSPCA for rehousing in the cities?

of course that's what we do George. ive never killed a dog in my life . I have trouble sending the cattle to market Wink

. was just illustrating that some critters , despite good genetics, turn out to be "not useful for the purpose for which you originally intended them to be" abbott is such an individual.
Labor should (and are) to their credit, not attacking him. He is their star performer Wink

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96767	Re: Why did he do it? Reply #49 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25am The thing about this issue, dear, is that Abbott DIDN’T know knighting Prince Philip would be seen as so ridiculous, which is why it pierces through the heart of his judgement. Abbott was telling us something with this award. Was it, as Gandalf suggested, a three finger salute to the republicans in his party?
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Reply #50 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:35am

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25am:

The thing about this issue, dear, is that Abbott DIDN’T know knighting Prince Philip would be seen as so ridiculous, which is why it pierces through the heart of his judgement.

Abbott was telling us something with this award. Was it, as Gandalf suggested, a three finger salute to the republicans in his party?

if he didn't know this, he is truly lost.
a state premier who doesn't know the rate of the GST and a prime minister who cant see the stupidity of this act.
They really need to get out more .
(as a side note K, did you know Malcolm fraser, when he left politics , had to learn how to dial a phone....he had always just been told to pick up by his trusty secretary).
I still think tony must have known....
he mixes with cyclists, firefighters, lifesavers, his daughters seem like cool kids.
He couldn't be that naïve.....gulp...could he??

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Why did he do it? Reply #51 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:39am Tony wants all state ALP govts, so there is less, or diluted, animus against the Federal Lib govt. THAT is what Sir Phil the Greek was about. Tone is not subtle.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35307 Gender:	Re: Why did he do it? Reply #52 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:53am St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:39am: Tony wants all state ALP govts, so there is less, or diluted, animus against the Federal Lib govt. THAT is what Sir Phil the Greek was about. Tone is not subtle. this is possible.
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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #53 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 9:09am

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:17am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:06am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38am:

Well there you go. I think you got your answer. He's a monarchist at heart.

And he is the head of Government in a nation that voted to preserve its monarchy... No anachronism there.

Where else would you expect to find an overtly monarchist PM if not in a monarchist state?

Almost nowhere. Outside the Melbourne Club and Aboriginal communities, there are few monarchists left in Australia.

Australia never voted for a monarchy. It rejected a politically appointed head of state. Australia is not a comfortable monarchy, unlike Jordan or Thailand, for example, where the King is deeply popular. Australians don’t really care either way.

Which is what makes Tony Abbott’s monarchist convictions so inscrutable. No one understands Abbott, or knows where he’s coming from.

Don't deconstruct the irony... Leave it intact...

Whatever the reason for the preservation of the monarchy, the nation got what it wanted... The consequences therefrom come with the choice.

Yes, Australia (with regard to its political system) is a crypto-Republic (or schizophrenic monarchy).

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Reply #54 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:22am

well we are all talking about the knighthood and not the dire economic circumstances Abbotts failed budget has placed the country in. Wheres Hockey? I would say Abbott has done very well as far as instruments of dstraction go and I will suggest he is not 1 step away from his puppet master Howard at any stage, Credlin and Howard are running this country, not Abbott and Hockey.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #55 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:25am

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25am:

The thing about this issue, dear, is that Abbott DIDN’T know knighting Prince Philip would be seen as so ridiculous, which is why it pierces through the heart of his judgement.

Abbott was telling us something with this award. Was it, as Gandalf suggested, a three finger salute to the republicans in his party?

Who knows, you wont get the answer from Abbott, better to ask who made the decision. The Australian public still cant see the elephant in the room.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #56 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:16am

rhino wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:22am:

well we are all talking about the knighthood and not the dire economic circumstances Abbotts failed budget has placed the country in. Wheres Hockey? I would say Abbott has done very well as far as instruments of dstraction go and I will suggest he is not 1 step away from his puppet master Howard at any stage, Credlin and Howard are running this country, not Abbott and Hockey.

A power–mad woman and a failed PM&Treasurer are running the country? No wonder they are making such a mess of things!

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Reply #57 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:33am

rhino wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:22am:

well we are all talking about the knighthood and not the dire economic circumstances Abbotts failed budget has placed the country in.

Maybe thats it - maybe this was a deliberate distraction from Abbott - reasoning that ridiculing him over a triviality is better than ridiculing him over things that matter. And that we'd all end up having a jolly laugh over it - "Oh Tones" we'd all say with an affectionate smile.

Trouble is, everyone has simply seen this as reinforcing his ineptitude on all leadership matters - big and small.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #58 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:45am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:21am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:03am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 6:59am:

Karnal,
have I not been saying for some time that big spending , ex catholic priest, Tony Abbott is a labor mole in the liberal party.
He has played his role well, almost like those Russian "sleeper" spies who were raised with American families and "activated" decades later.

The Jesuit priesthood tony tried to join is the ABSOLUTE COMPLETE OTHER END OF THE UNIVERSE to the the business council of Australia,

Tony has been reactivated and now seeks to destroy the right side of politics from within.

He is NOT A DUMMY.

He knew this would be the master stroke to foil Campbell and ensure that compassionate, big spending labor won in QLD and the big business (which at his core he despises) would be thwarted. His timing is impeccable.
He will wreck the liberal party (which he despises...even if only in a subcounscious way).

You are a smart guy K. Surely you can see this is a deliberate strategy of termiting his own organisation.
This is obvious to me. I'm sure if you wash the dust from your eyes you will see tony for the complex DLP type person that he is. The Bob Santamaria seeking vengeance on all that old money , blue blood liberals

OK I don't want to hear you accusing anyone of mindlessly following stupid conspiracy theories ever again.

yeah, maybe an exaggeration.

every now and then, I get a kelpie that looks like its the real deal, but it just has a brain snap and starts killing chooks and goes completely "off the reservation"

its no good pretending its going to get better .

Its better to admit, I made a mistake, the things gone feral . And then get the vet to bring out the lethobarbitone injection.
Its the only humane solution really.

Herding instinct is a misdirection of the dog predatory instinct. Why not offer the dog to the RSPCA for rehousing in the cities?

of course that's what we do George. ive never killed a dog in my life . I have trouble sending the cattle to market Wink

Good. My bloody dog has killed three of my chickens (a terrier so in her nature. A good ratter too.)

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #59 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:07pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:28pm:

Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.

Yeah, but that is from the drum...if Abbott went for a walk across Lake Burley Griffin, the ABC headlines would be "Tony Abbott can't swim"

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