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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #60 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:12pm

Rupert Murdoch
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Liberal backbenchers Andrew Laming
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Warren Entsch
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Tue 3 Feb 2015, 12:46am

Liberals "disappointed" with parts of the Prime Minister's speech at the Press Club in Canberra are mounting a push to abolish knights and dames.

Queensland backbenchers Andrew Laming and Warren Entsch had wanted Tony Abbott to scrap the titles completely in the wake of the controversial decision to give Prince Philip a knighthood on Australia Day.

During his speech on Monday, Mr Abbott conceded he "probably overdid it" and said that all future knighthoods would now be decided by the Order of Australia Council.

But Dr Laming
said it was "not enough" and that he now had "no other option" but to introduce a private member's bill to try and stop any future titles.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-02/laming-entsch-lead-charge-to-abolish-knigh...

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #61 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:13pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:28pm:

Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.

Yeah, but that is from the drum...if Abbott went for a walk across Lake Burley Griffin, the ABC headlines would be "Tony Abbott can't swim"

LOL

Just for the record, that joke's not original - it was originally penned to describe Sir Joh's misfortunes with the media in the 80s.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #62 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:28pm:

Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.

Yeah, but that is from the drum...if Abbott went for a walk across Lake Burley Griffin, the ABC headlines would be "Tony Abbott can't swim"

LOL

Just for the record, that joke's not original - it was originally penned to describe Sir Joh's misfortunes with the media in the 80s.

And yet, unoriginal jokes still have the power to amuse me.

.....or to outrage me,

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #63 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:28pm:

Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.

Yeah, but that is from the drum...if Abbott went for a walk across Lake Burley Griffin, the ABC headlines would be "Tony Abbott can't swim"

LOL

Just for the record, that joke's not original - it was originally penned to describe Sir Joh's misfortunes with the media in the 80s.

I first heard it about 20 years ago, with Bill Gates as the 'water-walker'.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #64 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 2:59pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 1:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:28pm:

Someone (can't remember who) posted a recent article on the drum with an interesting theory. She basically says that with all this undermining of Abbott's leadership going on he feels the need, every now and then, to make these completely random "captain's calls" to tell his colleagues who's boss, and to reassert his authority. Knighting Prince Phillip was supposedly one of these random calls.

Yeah, but that is from the drum...if Abbott went for a walk across Lake Burley Griffin, the ABC headlines would be "Tony Abbott can't swim"

LOL

Just for the record, that joke's not original - it was originally penned to describe Sir Joh's misfortunes with the media in the 80s.

And yet, unoriginal jokes still have the power to amuse me.

Yadda
is OUR
"unoriginal joke"

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #65 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:20pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 5:14am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:18pm:

So far, no one’s even suggested why the husband of the Queen would be awarded a knighthood by an antipodean Prime Minister. The Duke of Edinburgh Awards don’t come close as a reason for "services to Australia".

As a student back in the 70s, Tony Abbott posted pictures of the queen and the pope around Sydney Uni as a reaction against the left’s pictures of Che Guevara. It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

Or was it?

Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal. He says now it was all a big mistake, but was it really?

Could it have been an attempt to resurrect a debate on the monarchy? Was it part of a campaign to consolidate support for the royals in what, in the Queen’s final years, will result in the succession of Charles IV? Was Tony Abbott simply making a sincere gesture of gratitude towards a senior royal in the last stages of life? Or was his "captain’s pick" simply his authoritarian loyalist streak on display in a bizarre Oedipal prank gone wrong?

To date, no one’s even questioned the motives - or the reasons - for such a move. Most tellingly, least of all Abbott himself.

Thoughts?

Comrade, you're over-analysing things again. Just call Abbott a racist, sexist or bigot and be done with it. This is progress.

Good propaganda, comrade. You've described the correct party response, but as an International Socialist, what's your take on Abbott's knighthood of Prince Philip?

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #66 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:25pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:35am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25am:

The thing about this issue, dear, is that Abbott DIDN’T know knighting Prince Philip would be seen as so ridiculous, which is why it pierces through the heart of his judgement.

Abbott was telling us something with this award. Was it, as Gandalf suggested, a three finger salute to the republicans in his party?

if he didn't know this, he is truly lost.
a state premier who doesn't know the rate of the GST and a prime minister who cant see the stupidity of this act.
They really need to get out more .
(as a side note K, did you know Malcolm fraser, when he left politics , had to learn how to dial a phone....he had always just been told to pick up by his trusty secretary).
I still think tony must have known....
he mixes with cyclists, firefighters, lifesavers, his daughters seem like cool kids.
He couldn't be that naïve.....gulp...could he??

Do you think he'd sabotage his hold on power simply to honour the Queen's Consort?

Yes: if Abbott didn't have any idea of the possible reaction to this decision, he is truly lost.

I'm wondering why he made such a decision in the first place. What was he trying to do?

So far, no one's even come close to explaining such a bizarre decision.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #67 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:28pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:35am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25am:

The thing about this issue, dear, is that Abbott DIDN’T know knighting Prince Philip would be seen as so ridiculous, which is why it pierces through the heart of his judgement.

Abbott was telling us something with this award. Was it, as Gandalf suggested, a three finger salute to the republicans in his party?

if he didn't know this, he is truly lost.
a state premier who doesn't know the rate of the GST and a prime minister who cant see the stupidity of this act.
They really need to get out more .
(as a side note K, did you know Malcolm fraser, when he left politics , had to learn how to dial a phone....he had always just been told to pick up by his trusty secretary).
I still think tony must have known....
he mixes with cyclists, firefighters, lifesavers, his daughters seem like cool kids.
He couldn't be that naïve.....gulp...could he??

Do you think he'd sabotage his hold on power simply to honour the Queen's Consort?

Yes: if Abbott didn't have any idea of the possible reaction to this decision, he is truly lost.

I'm wondering why he made such a decision in the first place. What was he trying to do?

So far, no one's even come close to explaining such a bizarre decision.

In one (+) word/s.....ingratiation to those he seeks personal approval from. He's been doing that all his life.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #68 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:39pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:18pm:

So far, no one’s even suggested why the husband of the Queen would be awarded a knighthood by an antipodean Prime Minister. The Duke of Edinburgh Awards don’t come close as a reason for "services to Australia".

As a student back in the 70s, Tony Abbott posted pictures of the queen and the pope around Sydney Uni as a reaction against the left’s pictures of Che Guevara. It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

Or was it?

Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal. He says now it was all a big mistake, but was it really?

Could it have been an attempt to resurrect a debate on the monarchy? Was it part of a campaign to consolidate support for the royals in what, in the Queen’s final years, will result in the succession of Charles IV? Was Tony Abbott simply making a sincere gesture of gratitude towards a senior royal in the last stages of life? Or was his "captain’s pick" simply his authoritarian loyalist streak on display in a bizarre Oedipal prank gone wrong?

To date, no one’s even questioned the motives - or the reasons - for such a move. Most tellingly, least of all Abbott himself.

Thoughts?

If you've been keeping pace with the UK media, you'll connect Abbott's actions with what appears a determined campaign being run by the media to finish of Britain's royal family. Thousands of reader comments want the royal family gone

To be suspected therefore is that Abbott used reverse-psychology when he knighted Prince Philip, knowing there would be a backlash and very probably damage to Prince Philip and the royals as a group in addition to stirring up republican sentiments in Australia

So, was Abbott's supposed knighting of Philip actually a sledge-hammer blow aimed at the royals, rather than the 'honour' it purported to be ?

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #69 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:45pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:25pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:35am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25am:

The thing about this issue, dear, is that Abbott DIDN’T know knighting Prince Philip would be seen as so ridiculous, which is why it pierces through the heart of his judgement.

Abbott was telling us something with this award. Was it, as Gandalf suggested, a three finger salute to the republicans in his party?

if he didn't know this, he is truly lost.
a state premier who doesn't know the rate of the GST and a prime minister who cant see the stupidity of this act.
They really need to get out more .
(as a side note K, did you know Malcolm fraser, when he left politics , had to learn how to dial a phone....he had always just been told to pick up by his trusty secretary).
I still think tony must have known....
he mixes with cyclists, firefighters, lifesavers, his daughters seem like cool kids.
He couldn't be that naïve.....gulp...could he??

Do you think he'd sabotage his hold on power simply to honour the Queen's Consort?

Yes: if Abbott didn't have any idea of the possible reaction to this decision, he is truly lost.

I'm wondering why he made such a decision in the first place. What was he trying to do?

So far, no one's even come close to explaining such a bizarre decision.

In one (+) word/s.....ingratiation to those he seeks personal approval from. He's been doing that all his life.

Alan Jones? David Flynt? Maybe you’re right. It gives a whole new twist to the grown-ups back in charge.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

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Re: Why did he do it?
Reply #70 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 8:52pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:18pm:

So far, no one’s even suggested why the husband of the Queen would be awarded a knighthood by an antipodean Prime Minister. The Duke of Edinburgh Awards don’t come close as a reason for "services to Australia".

As a student back in the 70s, Tony Abbott posted pictures of the queen and the pope around Sydney Uni as a reaction against the left’s pictures of Che Guevara. It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

Or was it?

Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal. He says now it was all a big mistake, but was it really?

Could it have been an attempt to resurrect a debate on the monarchy? Was it part of a campaign to consolidate support for the royals in what, in the Queen’s final years, will result in the succession of Charles IV? Was Tony Abbott simply making a sincere gesture of gratitude towards a senior royal in the last stages of life? Or was his "captain’s pick" simply his authoritarian loyalist streak on display in a bizarre Oedipal prank gone wrong?

To date, no one’s even questioned the motives - or the reasons - for such a move. Most tellingly, least of all Abbott himself.

Thoughts?

If you've been keeping pace with the UK media, you'll connect Abbott's actions with what appears a determined campaign being run by the media to finish of Britain's royal family.

Oh, I have. But strangely enough, Herbie’s UK Daily Mail.articles don’t mention anything about the royals. Apparently the whole of Great Britain and most of Europe is obsessed with the despicable Muselmen in their midst. Apparently, Europe has become a war zone.

I blame Rupert, but I know we’re supposed to be blaming someone else.

According to Herbie, I’ll be gassed for saying this - in the fullness of time, of course.

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Reply #72 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 6:40am

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 3:20pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 5:14am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2015 at 10:18pm:

So far, no one’s even suggested why the husband of the Queen would be awarded a knighthood by an antipodean Prime Minister. The Duke of Edinburgh Awards don’t come close as a reason for "services to Australia".

As a student back in the 70s, Tony Abbott posted pictures of the queen and the pope around Sydney Uni as a reaction against the left’s pictures of Che Guevara. It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

Or was it?

Tony Abbott has not even bothered to suggest why he would knight a senior British royal. He says now it was all a big mistake, but was it really?

Could it have been an attempt to resurrect a debate on the monarchy? Was it part of a campaign to consolidate support for the royals in what, in the Queen’s final years, will result in the succession of Charles IV? Was Tony Abbott simply making a sincere gesture of gratitude towards a senior royal in the last stages of life? Or was his "captain’s pick" simply his authoritarian loyalist streak on display in a bizarre Oedipal prank gone wrong?

To date, no one’s even questioned the motives - or the reasons - for such a move. Most tellingly, least of all Abbott himself.

Thoughts?

Comrade, you're over-analysing things again. Just call Abbott a racist, sexist or bigot and be done with it. This is progress.

Good propaganda, comrade. You've described the correct party response, but as an International Socialist, what's your take on Abbott's knighthood of Prince Philip?

It's really not that hard to fathom. If you understand Abbott's particular brand of conservatism, the decision makes perfect sense - he's been open on his support for the Monarchy.

Just as if you understand leftardism, you understand why they bang on about equality, tolerance, and all that jazz.

Just look at the guiding principle or 'ideology' of those who speak and the motivations for their desired policies become clear.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96767	Re: Why did he do it? Reply #73 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 8:50am Thanks, comrade. We know all about Abbott’s support of the monarchy, but what’s he seeking to do by knighting Prince Philip? It would be great to hear your view as a "progressive".
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Reply #74 - Feb 4^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 4^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

Thanks, comrade. We know all about Abbott’s support of the monarchy, but what’s he seeking to do by knighting Prince Philip?

It would be great to hear your view as a "progressive".

Well, as a "progressive" we see this as anaziwhowantstogassixmillionjews. But as a conservative he's merely attempting to reinstate or reaffirm his and the Monarchists in Aus. reverence/pride/love/whatever for the Monarchy. Conservatives believe in rank orders, and the Monarchists' rank order puts the Monarchy at the top. It was bound to piss off "progressives" but that's only a by-product of being conservative, and not its purpose. There's no conspiracy, just look for the simplest explanation.

edit: "Progressives" hate Jews, so just replace Jews with funny little brown people.

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