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Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:28am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
God DOES exist.

If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.

There is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.




Exactly so, Lisa




i.e.
We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:32am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:22am:
And today, men the common man knows that God does not exist.

Because he, the common man, cannot see God.


I don't claim to know that God doesn't exist.  I think it would be quite foolish to claim that I could disprove a negative.  Most atheists are the same.

Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:22am:
And that he, God, exists in a spirit realm, which again, is a 'realm'/reality which is unknowable to our carnal mind/comprehension.


I get what you are saying, but according to Christian writings, God is supposed to interact with OUR realm/reality, and if this is the case, there should be some way to demonstrate such a beings existence.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.


I did for many years actually.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #17 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:38am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
God DOES exist.

If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.

There is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.




Exactly so, Lisa




i.e.
We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.



So basically what you're saying is believers are lucky, atheists are unlucky.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #18 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:41am
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:32am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:22am:
And today, men the common man knows that God does not exist.

Because he, the common man, cannot see God.




I don't claim to know that God doesn't exist.


I think it would be quite foolish to claim that I could disprove a negative.




Stratos,

Neither did i suggest that you were one of the common man.              Tongue






Quote:
Most atheists are the same.



Really !

I would have suggested, that most atheists would claim, that there is no 'God'/creator being.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story....
Reply #19 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:44am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
God DOES exist.

If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.

There is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.




Exactly so, Lisa




i.e.
We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.



Yes.
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #20 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:45am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:38am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
God DOES exist.

If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.

There is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.




Exactly so, Lisa




i.e.
We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.



So basically what you're saying is believers are lucky, atheists are unlucky.


No. Not at all. Luck plays no part here.
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #21 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:51am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:38am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
God DOES exist.

If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.

There is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.




Exactly so, Lisa




i.e.
We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.




So basically what you're saying is believers are lucky, atheists are unlucky.





Yes, that is correct.

I, Yadda, am a very, very lucky person.



.....because i love truth.

And i pursue it, even to my cost.







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John 18:37
.....Jesus answered,.....To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.



John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2  The same was in the beginning with God.
3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


Isaiah 2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3  And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4  And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5  O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.


Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.






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John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18  I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19  Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.




Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #22 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:55am
 
Harvard university did a study on prayers, it's a waste of time nobody is listening.

news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/05-prayer.html
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #23 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:56am
 
Yadda,

1. Are we lucky or BLESSED? Think about it.

2. Try and make your posts smaller. Split them into 2 if you have to. Long posts tend to get bypassed and ignored.

xxx Lisa
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #24 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:59am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:55am:
Harvard university did a study on prayers, it's a waste of time nobody is listening.

news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/05-prayer.html




Hehe.

OK.




But you will excuse me if i am a dissenter.

Smiley
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #25 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:07am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:56am:
Yadda,

1. Are we lucky or BLESSED? Think about it.

2. Try and make your posts smaller. Split them into 2 if you have to. Long posts tend to get bypassed and ignored.

xxx Lisa




#1,
Lisa, We are BLESSED!

Lisa,
QUESTION;
WHY are we BLESSED ?

ANSWER;
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We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.



We [our 'intellect'] can choose to look for God, to look for 'a' God.

But if our heart is not right, we will not be acknowledged.



this is scriptural

Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


Psalms 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11  Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12  Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.


Psalms 73:1
Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.
2  But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.
3  For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
4  For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.
5  They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.
6  Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
7  Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
8  They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.
9  They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.
10  Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
11  And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?
12  Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.
13  Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency.
14  For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.
15  If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.
16  When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;
17  Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
18  Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.
19  How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.
20  As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.
21  Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.
22  So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.
23  Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.
24  Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
25  Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
26  My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.
27  For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.
28  But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.



2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.....


Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.





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#2,

Yadda FAIL.

Yet again.

Grin


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Reply #26 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:09am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:41am:
I would have suggested, that most atheists would claim, that there is no 'God'/creator being.


It is a little confusing, as the language is regarding a lack of belief rather than a belief.  It really is as simple as this:

theist- believes in a deity
atheist- does not believe in a deity.

The other issue is the knowledge claim, rather than the belief claim.

gnostic- claims to have knowledge
agnostic- does not claim to have knowledge (of a particular fact, not just in general Tongue)

I am an agnostic (does not claim knowledge) atheist (does not believe in a deity)

I'm guessing Yadda and Lisa are Gnostic (claim TO have knowledge) theists (believe in a deity)

You can have gnostic atheists and agnostic theists too, but those seem to be rarer
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #27 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:58am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:51am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:38am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:28am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
God DOES exist.

If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.

There is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.




Exactly so, Lisa




i.e.
We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.




So basically what you're saying is believers are lucky, atheists are unlucky.





Yes, that is correct.

I, Yadda, am a very, very lucky person.



.....because i love truth.

And i pursue it, even to my cost.




By truth do you mean scientific truth?
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #28 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:03am
 
vikaryan wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 6:42am:
Big Bang Theory? You’ve got to be kidding.

Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning


(Phys.org) — The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein’s theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once. 

The widely accepted age of the universe, as estimated by general relativity, is 13.8 billion years. In the beginning, everything in existence is thought to have occupied a single infinitely dense point, or singularity. Only after this point began to expand in a “Big Bang” did the universe officially begin.

Although the Big Bang singularity arises directly and unavoidably from the mathematics of general relativity, some scientists see it as problematic because the math can explain only what happened immediately after—not at or before—the singularity.

"The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," Ahmed Farag Ali at Benha University and the Zewail City of Science and Technology, both in Egypt, told Phys.org.

Ali and coauthor Saurya Das at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, have shown in a paper published in Physics Letters B that the Big Bang singularity can be resolved by their new model in which the universe has no beginning and no end.

http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html



The problem with this statement is that whilst the actual moment of the Big Bang may defy modern physics, everything that occurred afterwards doesn't.
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Reply #29 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:21am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:03am:
modern physics


This is key too when looking at quantum mechanics:  Most are not logical. 

How can an object be in two places at once?
How can objects interact faster than the speed of light?
How can looking at things at a subatomic level change their characteristics?

No idea, but all have been demonstrated.  Fascinating stuff.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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