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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #390 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 3:24pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 2:05pm: Earth = just that...the actual dirt...as per Ancient Greek. Sorry Lisa, are you referring to Greek or Hebrew?
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #391 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 4:04pm Stratos wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 3:24pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 2:05pm: Earth = just that...the actual dirt...as per Ancient Greek. Sorry Lisa, are you referring to Greek or Hebrew? Greek. Ancient and modern. Same word.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #392 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 4:12pm oh, my apologies, I thought we were discussing Genesis as per your post previously. Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 12:59pm: Please refer to Genesis 1: 1, the very 1st verse.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #393 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 4:39pm Stratos wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 4:12pm: oh, my apologies, I thought we were discussing Genesis as per your post previously. Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 12:59pm: Please refer to Genesis 1: 1, the very 1st verse. We are.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #394 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 4:48pm Genesis was written in Hebrew, not Greek.
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Reply #395 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

Stratos wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

Genesis was written in Hebrew, not Greek.

So?

The Hebrew word translates the same way as the Ancient Greek. We're talking earth as in ground.

Both languages play an impt role in understanding the Holy Bible.

I happen to understand both ancient and modern Greek languages.....hence why I don't need to Google...and hence why I allude to these languages in my posts.

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Reply #396 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:11pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

The Hebrew word translates the same way as the Ancient Greek. We're talking earth as in ground.

I'm really sorry, but you are mistaken Lisa. The Hebrew word can refer to a much wider scope of things, while the Greek word is a bit more streamlined in definition.

Neither of the words is used exclusively for the word "ground" or "earth" either

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

I happen to understand both ancient and modern Greek languages.hence why I don't need to Google...and allude to these languages in my posts.

I was more asking because you were referring to a passage being discussed with a language it wasn't written in.

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Reply #397 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:36pm

Stratos wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

The Hebrew word translates the same way as the Ancient Greek. We're talking earth as in ground.

I'm really sorry, but you are mistaken Lisa. The Hebrew word can refer to a much wider scope of things, while the Greek word is a bit more streamlined in definition.

Neither of the words is used exclusively for the word "ground" or "earth" either

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

I happen to understand both ancient and modern Greek languages.hence why I don't need to Google...and allude to these languages in my posts.

I was more asking because you were referring to a passage being discussed with a language it wasn't written in.

You're wrong. The Hebrew word for "earth" is different to the Hebrew word for "world"

Same applies to both Ancient and Modern Greek.

Google it all if you don't believe me. I know what I'm talking about.

NOTE : We're still talking about Gen 1 : 1.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #398 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:52pm You know... if we can't get beyond Genesis chapter 1 verse 1...we're not going to get anywhere.
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Reply #399 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:56pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

You're wrong. The Hebrew word for "earth" is different to the Hebrew word for "world"

Maybe you could point out specifically which word you are referring to in Hebrew, because the word translated to "earth" in Genesis 1 is "erets" and it has a multitude of meanings and translations, including on several occasions, a translation to the word "world"

The more commonly accepted word translated to "world" in Ancient Hebrew is the word "tebets", but that doesn't appear at all in the Pentateuch.

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Reply #400 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

Stratos wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

You're wrong. The Hebrew word for "earth" is different to the Hebrew word for "world"

Maybe you could point out specifically which word you are referring to in Hebrew, because the word translated to "earth" in Genesis 1 is "erets" and it has a multitude of meanings and translations, including on several occasions, a translation to the word "world"

The more commonly accepted word translated to "world" in Ancient Hebrew is the word "tebets", but that doesn't appear at all in the Pentateuch.

The Hebrew and Greek word in Genesis ch 1 v 1 ...the very last word in that verse refers to earth as in ground.

Fact!

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #401 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:14pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:01pm: The Hebrew and Greek word in Genesis ch 1 v 1 ...the very last word in that verse refers to earth as in ground. It wasn't written in Greek Lisa, Koine Greek wasn't even a language when Genesis was written.
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Reply #402 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

Stratos wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

The Hebrew and Greek word in Genesis ch 1 v 1 ...the very last word in that verse refers to earth as in ground.

It wasn't written in Greek Lisa, Koine Greek wasn't even a language when Genesis was written.

Yep. You're right..that is the version of GREEK.

It's still GREEK...though. I have a Holy Bible here and it is in Koine Greek. I read it regularly.

You're googling wayyyyy too much Stratos...and it's confusing you.

The point I am trying to drive home is that BOTH the Hebrew and Greek languages refer to the last word in Gen 1:1 as earth ie ground.

In short, they BOTH confirm the point I'm making.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #403 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:17pm Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 8:45pm: I have a Holy Bible here and it is in Koine Greek Which translation? I have never heard of an old testament being translated from Greek manuscripts.
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Reply #404 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:22pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 2:14am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 9:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Raven wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Too be fair neither the bible nor god mention the age of the Earth. That 6,000 number was arrived at simply by finding an event in the bible which occurred on an accepted date and then counting backwards all the begats until reaching Adam and Eve.

Now if we assume that god did say the Earth is 6,000 years old there is a very easy way to disprove it that doesn't include carbon dating. Simply look up at the night sky.

If the Earth was only 6,000 years old we wouldn't be able to see most of them because the light would not have reached us yet.

We certainly would not be able to see the other galaxies in the universe because the closet major galaxy Andromeda is 2.5 million light years from us (technically the closest galaxy is a dwarf galaxy called Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy which is 25,000 light years from us.)

So to claim the Earth is 6,000 years old is wrong.

Mans science and scientific knowledge is built upon man's own assumptions.

All knowledge [mankind's knowledge] is.

Many of the assumptions that man has made, about his circumstance are reasonable and true.

But not all.

We are still searching for 'certainty' - aka 'reality'.

Now, about that speed of light thingy.....

Google;
speed of light not constant

Seriously?

Yes seriously! SoL is 186,000(I'm old 300,000 KM/s I think) miles per sec in a vacuum. It travels slower through different mediums, like water, hence refraction.

Wiki:
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The refractive index n of an optical medium is defined as the ratio of the speed of light in vacuum, c = 7008299792458000000♠299792458 m/s, and the phase velocity v of light in the medium,
Refractive index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index

Now that may not be what Yadda means. I have heard some Christians say that the speed of light has changed with the age of the universe or some such nonsense, like it used to be faster in a vacuum than it is now. Father forgive them for they know not what they say. I think the rationale behind it is to shrink the time the universe has been in existence. If it travelled faster in the past then things are not as far away as we measure them now and the universe is not as big, ie not the 13.4 billion light years that we can see and the age of the universe.

Once you start believing in a omnipotent god you can believe anything. Undecided

Indubitably.

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".....Any attempt to scientifically estimate the age of something will necessarily involve a number of assumptions."

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/starlight/does-distant-starlight-prove-th...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1381547153/16#16
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THE ILLUSION;
The average modern man believes that in his experience, in his life, he [mostly] knows and understands what is real, and what is not real.

And man believes that his collective, derived [i.e. learned] 'cultural' perceptions of what is 'obvious' and what is real are certain, as certain as the sun rising above the eastern horizon tomorrow morning.

'Seeing [with our own eyes], is believing'! [....and seeing with our own eyes, can confirm what we 'know' to be true]

THE REALITY;
Our human perception is a [self reinforcing] 'knowledge loop' of progressive learned 'judgement'.

Every skerrick of our human perception is [has been] 'informed', throughout our lives, BY THE INTERACTION OF OUR PSYCHE WITH THIS PHYSICAL WORLD.

But every skerrick of our human perception, does not inform or enhance [our] innate human 'wisdom'.

It is the other way around; Every skerrick of our human perception has been 'informed', by our interaction [from childhood] with this deceptive 'reality'.

Human perception, is unreliable - but where we have that freedom, we always defer to it.

If you are a human being, [as real as your life may seem] you are imagining this 'reality'.

And, your 'knowledge' of this 'reality' is [has been] 'informed' by your experience [and by your perception] of this 'reality' - and by nothing else!

Our collective waking human perception of the reality which we collectively experience is [mostly] reliable.

Are you sure ?

LOL

An optical illusion ------ >

Load the page at the link, and move your mouse.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121007.html

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Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Isaiah 40:21
Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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