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Reply #120 - Feb 19^th, 2015 at 8:19pm

Soren wrote on Feb 19^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

Please explain your journey from 'believe' to 'support'.

Well I didn't say believe, that was actually Mr Bus.

I would say that all the evidence suggests that life evolved. I guess you could use the word "believe" in the same way that I also "believe" in other scientific theories such as the theory of gravity or the theory of relativity.

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Reply #122 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

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Reply #123 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

My belief is found in the evidence for evolution

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Reply #124 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:25pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

My belief is found in the evidence for evolution

The THEORY of evolution you mean....with all its missing bits n pieces. Yes?

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Reply #125 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:44pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

My belief is found in the evidence for evolution

The THEORY of evolution you mean....with all its missing bits n pieces. Yes?

Yes, but then the way you put theory in CAPITALS indicates that you have no idea what the term theory means in this context

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Reply #126 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

My belief is found in the evidence for evolution

The THEORY of evolution you mean....with all its missing bits n pieces. Yes?

Yes, but then the way you put theory in CAPITALS indicates that you have no idea what the term theory means in this context

You think so?

I have no idea eh?

Perhaps I am afflicted by average intelligence. Well...I thought a scientific theory was knowledge which is subject to change. It's not a finished product so to speak.

Anything else you wish to add Professor Outrage Bus?

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Reply #127 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:56pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

My belief is found in the evidence for evolution

The THEORY of evolution you mean....with all its missing bits n pieces. Yes?

Yes, but then the way you put theory in CAPITALS indicates that you have no idea what the term theory means in this context

You think so?

I have no idea eh?

Perhaps I am afflicted by average intelligence. Well...I thought a scientific theory was knowledge which is subject to change. It's not a finished product so to speak.

Anything else you wish to add Professor Outrage Bus?

Not quite. Part way there. Its true its never a finished product, but the evidence we keep finding only adds to the theory of evolution, theres been no evidence found to contradict it.

But a theory is one which is a model, so to speak, that explains observed data, as more data is collected the theory is updated. E.g. gravity is a theory.

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Reply #128 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:17pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

My belief is found in the evidence for evolution

The THEORY of evolution you mean....with all its missing bits n pieces. Yes?

Yes, but then the way you put theory in CAPITALS indicates that you have no idea what the term theory means in this context

You think so?

I have no idea eh?

Perhaps I am afflicted by average intelligence. Well...I thought a scientific theory was knowledge which is subject to change. It's not a finished product so to speak.

Anything else you wish to add Professor Outrage Bus?

Not quite. Part way there. Its true its never a finished product, but the evidence we keep finding only adds to the theory of evolution, theres been no evidence found to contradict it.

But a theory is one which is a model, so to speak, that explains observed data, as more data is collected the theory is updated. E.g. gravity is a theory.

Actually, I knew all that. It's just that my memory needed some refreshing.

Re gravity though... it's a law not a theory.

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Reply #129 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:19pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Well I use the term believe, because essentially evolution doesnt really give a poo, whether or not you accept/believe/support it or not.

I am not asking whether evolution believes in evolution. I am asking you, to follow your very own expression, whether YOU BELIEVE evolution.

And if so, what do you base your BELIEF on.

Anyway. Your belief in evolution is no more 'rational' than religion because you understand evolution no more than religious people understand the mysteries.

My belief is found in the evidence for evolution

The THEORY of evolution you mean....with all its missing bits n pieces. Yes?

Yes, but then the way you put theory in CAPITALS indicates that you have no idea what the term theory means in this context

You think so?

I have no idea eh?

Perhaps I am afflicted by average intelligence. Well...I thought a scientific theory was knowledge which is subject to change. It's not a finished product so to speak.

Anything else you wish to add Professor Outrage Bus?

Not quite. Part way there. Its true its never a finished product, but the evidence we keep finding only adds to the theory of evolution, theres been no evidence found to contradict it.

But a theory is one which is a model, so to speak, that explains observed data, as more data is collected the theory is updated. E.g. gravity is a theory.

Actually, I knew all that.. it's just that my memory needed some refreshing.

Re gravity though... it's a law not a theory.

How it acts on things is a law, its existence is a theory.

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Reply #131 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:39pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:21pm:

Laws differ from scientific theories in that they do not posit a mechanism or explanation of phenomena: they are merely distillations of the results of repeated observation.

So the fact gravity causes things to fall is a law. The reason why they fall is a theory.

Yes. Thank you for refreshing my memory.

The problem I see with science is that it is theory dependent and theories change all the time. Now I know you're thinking that this is a good thing because change gets us closer to THE ANSWER so to speak. And I would totally agree with you on that point.

It's just that in doing so, the actual pathway or process of change is in essence one of uncertainty trying to attain certainty not really knowing if certainty will ever be attained. It leaves one wondering if we really know or CAN know anything at all.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #132 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:40pm Maybe, but all the evidence we collect merely strengths the case for evolution it doesnt weaken it.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #133 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:46pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:40pm: Maybe, but all the evidence we collect merely strengthens the case for evolution it doesn't weaken it. Maybe eh? So you are uncertain also. You seem ok with such a stance. Some of us are not ok with it though.
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Reply #134 - Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:51pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

Maybe, but all the evidence we collect merely strengthens the case for evolution it doesn't weaken it.

Maybe eh? So you are uncertain also. You seem ok with such a stance.

Some of us are not ok with it though.

No, it was a dismissive maybe of your hand waving. I'm as certain of evolution as anything in my life.

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