Quote:What is the evolutionary advantage of values, purpose and goals - and if they have any,. why are there no other species chancing on these advantages?
And why does it matter, in evolutionary terms, if humanity is snuffed out. We are products of chance, not of value, you say, so what's the loss?
Again, you sdo not actually think in terms of evolution but in tems of religious values.
Other species
do exhibit what you would call morals and values. They have their own purpose and goals, although they act unconsciously.
Why is a product of chance not of value? If we value ourselves, the notion of a god that will magically solve problems for humanity will one day need to go by the wayside.
Quote:This is one of the stupidest arguments and no wonder vikaryan is so keen on it. No ethics, morality, personal relationships, self-perception, self-value, no human emotion and interaction is based on anything but non-scientific stories, tales, fables, parables, insights and judgement, call them what you want. One thing they are not - scientific, objectively verifiable, evolution-compliant.
Hey, I don't care. As long as they don't try to pass off this fictional entity borne from the minds of ordinary men as fact. Shakespeare fiction contains humanity in a nutshell but the events are not real.
It's ridiculous to say that an atheist cannot find any worth within the bible because they don't believe in an interventionist god. Everybody likes a good story. Myself, I'd prefer Stephen King; his parables and insights are a bit more up with the times, he doesn't ask me to donate any more than the price of his book and I'm under no obligation to believe that his monsters exist.
So how 'bout it Soren? Do you really believe that the earth is only 7000yrs old?