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Reply #360 - Apr 5th, 2015 at 8:57pm
 
Amadd wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 8:40pm:
Which one are you Soren? Fluffy or Ginger?  Grin

It takes a special person like you to be a complete f Vcking drongo.  But you do leap to be of service, so that's nice.



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Reply #361 - Apr 5th, 2015 at 9:48pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 8:57pm:
Amadd wrote on Apr 5th, 2015 at 8:40pm:
Which one are you Soren? Fluffy or Ginger?  Grin

It takes a special person like you to be a complete f Vcking drongo.  But you do leap to be of service, so that's nice.





Glad to be of service, just an observation of how you tend to use your ears really.

Despite the fact that I reckon you should be kept in chains and fed on birdseed, I hope you enjoyed your solar celebration of the spring equinox and the crossification of your sun (of) god  Wink
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Reply #362 - Apr 5th, 2015 at 11:03pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
And why does it matter, in evolutionary terms, if humanity is snuffed out. We are products of chance, not of value, you say, so what's the loss?



In the wider universe none.

If every human on the planet were to disappear tomorrow the world wouldn't notice.

If every ant went extinct the planet will be in turmoil, a biological domino effect would see a mass extinction of other animal and plant species dependant on ants for survival.

Ants are more important to the survival of the planet than humans.
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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.
 
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Reply #363 - Apr 7th, 2015 at 12:27am
 



God Does Not Exist......



Yes he does.

But clearly, he doesn't want to know you.

End of Story.




Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350356132/289#289
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Radioactive dating 'proves' an old earth, supposedly - But if in the first instance, rd is a flawed process, then relying upon rd must result in a flawed conclusion. And relying upon such a process would be unlikely to ever result in a correct conclusion.

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Without a reliable dating process;
The age of rocks - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age of dinosaur fossils - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age when dinosaurs lived - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #364 - Apr 7th, 2015 at 7:02am
 
Why do you think modern dating methods are unreliable?
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #365 - Apr 7th, 2015 at 7:09pm
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 7:02am:
Why do you think modern dating methods are unreliable?



There are many recorded instances, where the 'determined' age of the same rock samples [e.g. one large rock, broken into two], that went to different testing facilities didn't produce consistent dates.

And, where rock samples from recent lava flows didn't produce expected dates.


Google;
radiometric dating flawed, known age





Yadda said....
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If scientists know that inconsistent results are likely and common [in the radiometric dating of rocks], isn't it unprofessional and even 'unscientific', to keep using, and, to keep relying upon the results of a process, of who's integrity has been widely questioned ?

If real scientists, really do have confidence in [the potential of] radiometric dating, shouldn't they present/develop a 'foolproof' methodology of applying that process, so as to obtain consistent results ?






Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350356132/289#289
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Radioactive dating 'proves' an old earth, supposedly - But if in the first instance, rd is a flawed process, then relying upon rd must result in a flawed conclusion. And relying upon such a process would be unlikely to ever result in a correct conclusion.

.....

Without a reliable dating process;
The age of rocks - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age of dinosaur fossils - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age when dinosaurs lived - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #366 - Apr 7th, 2015 at 8:32pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Stratos wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 7:02am:
Why do you think modern dating methods are unreliable?



There are many recorded instances, where the 'determined' age of the same rock samples [e.g. one large rock, broken into two], that went to different testing facilities didn't produce consistent dates.

And, where rock samples from recent lava flows didn't produce expected dates.


Google;
radiometric dating flawed, known age





Yadda said....
Quote:
If scientists know that inconsistent results are likely and common [in the radiometric dating of rocks], isn't it unprofessional and even 'unscientific', to keep using, and, to keep relying upon the results of a process, of who's integrity has been widely questioned ?

If real scientists, really do have confidence in [the potential of] radiometric dating, shouldn't they present/develop a 'foolproof' methodology of applying that process, so as to obtain consistent results ?






Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350356132/289#289
Quote:

Radioactive dating 'proves' an old earth, supposedly - But if in the first instance, rd is a flawed process, then relying upon rd must result in a flawed conclusion. And relying upon such a process would be unlikely to ever result in a correct conclusion.

.....

Without a reliable dating process;
The age of rocks - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age of dinosaur fossils - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age when dinosaurs lived - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE





Any with actual evidence of the issue and not just creationist rubbish?
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #367 - Apr 7th, 2015 at 8:43pm
 
yadda, there are certain situations in which dating methods can become unreliable (carbon dating and aquatic creatures for example), but there many types of different methods.

I haven't heard of any of the examples you have described, would you mind posting the papers they were reported in?
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #368 - Apr 7th, 2015 at 8:47pm
 
I also suspect it will be instances where someone tries to extrapolate a carbon dating method for a time scale too large for it to work.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #369 - Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:57pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
I also suspect it will be instances where someone tries to extrapolate a carbon dating method for a time scale too large for it to work.


Isn't it a little sad that these creationists won't even recant on the obvious truth that god got it wrong with his assumption of the earth's age?
It seems that god is an idiot.
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Reply #370 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:19am
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 8:43pm:
yadda, there are certain situations in which dating methods can become unreliable (carbon dating and aquatic creatures for example), but there many types of different methods.

I haven't heard of any of the examples you have described, would you mind posting the papers they were reported in?




Stratos,

Ah,   ....so i have to be an accredited, published scientist, before anything i say/suggest, can be said to have any possible validity - in the real world.




QUESTION;
How many accredited, published scientists do you know, who are willing to risk 'killing' their PROFESSIONAL careers, by contradicting established, accepted, 'scientific' 'facts' ?

To do such a thing, would be like like an Anglican priest recanting, and then wanting to challenge/abolish church doctrines.

It would be heresy!

LOL


Dictionary;
heresy = =
1 belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.
2 opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted.



Stratos,

You do realise, that the 'science community' is a 'religious' 'church' too, don't you ?       Smiley

And that the 'science community' also, in effect, has its own 'high priests' !!



QUESTION;
Can't you see, these people [scientists] who are unwilling to challenge current 'science community' orthodoxy, because it may be a 'bad career move', have no more credibility, than lying, self-serving career politicians ?

Such people [career focused 'scientists'] are not scientists.

They are self-serving betrayers of truth.



Google;
science fraud



Google;
science, dishonest research



Scientist, science ?!!!

Ha!!

Phooey!

What many of them are engaged in, is not science.

True scientific principle, requires not only
"the intellectual and practical activity.......[of] observation and experiment"
,        ....but also a respect for truth, and the courage to denounce falsehood.

Doesn't it ?





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Stratos,

IMO, the 'science' that people like you 'believe in', is like the ISLAM that people like you believe in.

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"ISLAM is peace."


Always has been, always will be.             Smiley



e.g.
Ask a spokeman for the moslem community, in Australia, and he will insist that; "Peace summarises everything in Islam"

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...



EXAMPLE - of moslems promoting ISLAM 'peace' in Australia.....

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IMAGE....
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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."


Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #371 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:33am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:19am:
How many accredited, published scientists do you know, who are willing to risk 'killing' their PROFESSIONAL careers, by contradicting established, accepted, 'scientific' 'facts' ?


Look throughout the history of science Yadda, almost everyone who comes up with something revolutionary gets a pretty big backlash.  If the evidence suggested that the earth was only thousands of years old (against all the evidence to the contrary) then it would be MASSIVE, the scientist who could demonstrate this would lauded all kinds of awards.

Also, I was more interested in the mixed dating of singular samples you suggested.  If this indeed happened then surely there would be some record?

Yadda wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:19am:
You do realise, that the 'science community' is a 'religious' 'church' too, don't you ?


No it isn't, unless you are using a very broad definition of religion that would then also include many other professions, leading to the "religion" of sparkies and teachers.

Yadda wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:19am:
True scientific principle, requires not only "the intellectual and practical activity.......[of] observation and experiment",        ....but also a respect for truth, and the courage to denounce falsehood.

Doesn't it ?


yes indeed.  now please demonstrate what you think is a falsehood relating to the age of the earth, and what lead you to that conclusion.
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Reply #372 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 10:14am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 8:19am:
True scientific principle, requires not only
"the intellectual and practical activity.......[of] observation and experiment"
,        ....but also a respect for truth, and the courage to denounce falsehood.

Doesn't it ?







Yes it does, take gastric ulcers. It was once thought that gastric ulcers had nothing to do with bacteria until a scientist come along with careful observations (and a little self-experimentation) to prove that was incorrect. If the earth is truly 6000 years old, science would have zero problems accepting it, as loing as the evidence was there.
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Reply #373 - Apr 8th, 2015 at 4:45pm
 
Amadd wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:57pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
I also suspect it will be instances where someone tries to extrapolate a carbon dating method for a time scale too large for it to work.


Isn't it a little sad that these creationists won't even recant on the obvious truth that god got it wrong with his assumption of the earth's age?
It seems that god is an idiot.


God's not the idiot here.

It's just that you're ignorant about God's Holy Word.



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Reply #374 - Apr 9th, 2015 at 6:36pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2015 at 4:45pm:
Amadd wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 11:57pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
I also suspect it will be instances where someone tries to extrapolate a carbon dating method for a time scale too large for it to work.


Isn't it a little sad that these creationists won't even recant on the obvious truth that god got it wrong with his assumption of the earth's age?
It seems that god is an idiot.


God's not the idiot here.

It's just that you're ignorant about God's Holy Word.





Yeah, maybe I'm just too ignorant to translate it into another language, because in English it seems that god assumes the world to be 6000-7000yrs old ....and flat!  Grin What a numbscull!!
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