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Reply #30 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:30am
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:21am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:03am:
modern physics


This is key too when looking at quantum mechanics:  Most are not logical. 

How can an object be in two places at once?
How can objects interact faster than the speed of light?
How can looking at things at a subatomic level change their characteristics?

No idea, but all have been demonstrated.  Fascinating stuff.


AS Bohr said, if quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #31 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:01pm
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:21am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:03am:
modern physics


This is key too when looking at quantum mechanics:  Most are not logical. 

How can an object be in two places at once?
How can objects interact faster than the speed of light?
How can looking at things at a subatomic level change their characteristics?

No idea, but all have been demonstrated.  Fascinating stuff.




Yes.

All apparently true.

The observable universe, proving once again, that man is not quite as clever as he imagines that he is.



Quantum physics ?

I just watch the doco's on TV.           Smiley



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #32 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:01pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:21am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:03am:
modern physics


This is key too when looking at quantum mechanics:  Most are not logical. 

How can an object be in two places at once?
How can objects interact faster than the speed of light?
How can looking at things at a subatomic level change their characteristics?

No idea, but all have been demonstrated.  Fascinating stuff.




Yes.

All apparently true.

The observable universe, proving once again, that man is not quite as clever as he imagines that he is.



Quantum physics ?

I just watch the doco's on TV.           Smiley







Yes, so then don't have a go at those who do the work.
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Reply #33 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:22pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:01pm:
The observable universe, proving once again, that man is not quite as clever as he imagines that he is.


Not quite sure what you are getting at here.

Scientists are always working from not having knowledge to obtaining more through observation and experimentation?
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #34 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:29pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:58am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:51am:

......i love truth.

And i pursue it, even to my cost.




By truth do you mean scientific truth?




I love truth.

I do not, will not, accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because it [the hypothesis] is, or has been, stated.
.....nor, will i accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because some people believe that a scientific hypothesis may be true.





I stand in the camp that believes that there are many things about our circumstances on this little planet [in this 'reality'], that we do not understand, and may never fully understand.

And, i am open to be persuaded by logical and reasoned argument, as to what truth really is, and 'where' truth really stands.

And, i am open to being personally persuaded as to what truth really is, by my own personal experience [as an individual] [even when my personal experience cannot be communicated [i.e. proven] to others - e.g. Google OBE's].



But i am certain that truth stands far off from human dogma and human ideology.

Men, mankind, are corrupt and are highly corruptible,       ....in my experience.

Me too.            Embarrassed





Dictionary;dogma = = a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertible.


Dictionary;
ideology = = a system of ideas and ideals forming the basis of an economic or political theory.       the set of beliefs characteristic of a social group or individual.



Such a position [as i hold] is not in conflict with reading and valuing the ideas and concepts that are revealed within that 'sky faerie' book, the Bible, imo.

I love truth.

I pursue truth.

That position does not in any way, preclude me from having great respect for the ideas and the concepts that are contained within the Bible.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story....
Reply #35 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:31pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:56am:
Yadda,

1. Are we lucky or BLESSED? Think about it.

2. Try and make your posts smaller. Split them into 2 if you have to. Long posts tend to get bypassed and ignored.

xxx Lisa




#1,
Lisa, We are BLESSED!

Lisa,
QUESTION;
WHY are we BLESSED ?

ANSWER;
Quote:
We do not choose to know God.

God chooses to know us.          .....determined upon the 'condition' of our heart.



We [our 'intellect'] can choose to look for God, to look for 'a' God.

But if our heart is not right, we will not be acknowledged.



this is scriptural

Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


Psalms 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11  Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12  Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.


Psalms 73:1
Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.
2  But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.
3  For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
4  For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.
5  They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.
6  Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
7  Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
8  They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.
9  They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.
10  Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
11  And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?
12  Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.
13  Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency.
14  For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.
15  If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.
16  When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;
17  Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
18  Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.
19  How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.
20  As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.
21  Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.
22  So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.
23  Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.
24  Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
25  Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
26  My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.
27  For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.
28  But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.....

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

#2,

Yadda FAIL.

Yet again.



Yadda, you have a good heart and a genuine spirit. And you clearly put a lot of work into your posts.

Much respect.

Please work on splitting your posts into 2.  They are still wayyyyy toooo longggg lol  Grin
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #36 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:36pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

Yadda, you have a good heart and a genuine spirit. And you clearly put a lot of work into your posts.

Much respect.


Please work on splitting your posts into 2.  They are still wayyyyy toooo longggg        lol  Grin






LOL

xxx, Yadda.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #37 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:39pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
I do not, will not, accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because it [the hypothesis] is, or has been, stated.


Nor should you, or indeed anyone.  Hypothesis is just a prediction based on what we know.

Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
Such a position [as i hold] is not in conflict with reading and valuing the ideas and concepts that are revealed within that 'sky faerie' book, the Bible, imo.


What would you do if facts where discovered to be in direct contradiction with the Bible?
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Reply #38 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 1:19pm
 
What is god?

Until you can answer that, its pointless to speculate on whether it exists or not.
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Reply #39 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 1:46pm
 
... wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 1:19pm:
What is god?


You must be an Ignostic Tongue

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Reply #40 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 1:57pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
I do not, will not, accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because it [the hypothesis] is, or has been, stated.
.....nor, will i accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because some people believe that a scientific hypothesis may be true.








What is an example of this in your book? A scientific hypothesis that people believe in ?
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Reply #41 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 2:03pm
 
This is what God's Holy Word has to say....

Psalm 14.1

The fool has said in his heart, there is no God.


Psalm 14.2

God looks down from heaven to see if there are any that seek Him.

Hence why in my original post in this topic, I stated that only God can make Himself known to you in a real way... but you have to seek Him and ask Him to.

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Reply #42 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 2:06pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24am:
God DOES exist.

If you don't believe He does, ASK HIM...take that 1st step to genuinely ask Him to make Himself real to you.

There is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT.



Well, actually, THIS is what I stated initially.

Apologies.. am in need of a coffee.
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Reply #43 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 2:27pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 2:03pm:
This is what God's Holy Word has to say....

Psalm 14.1

The fool has said in his heart, there is no God.


Psalm 14.2

God looks down from heaven to see if there are any that seek Him.

Hence why in my original post in this topic, I stated that only God can make Himself known to you in a real way... but you have to seek Him and ask Him to.




So book says fools don't believe in God, therefore God exists. Well I'm convinced.
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Reply #44 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 6:50pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 1:57pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
I do not, will not, accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because it [the hypothesis] is, or has been, stated.
.....nor, will i accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because some people believe that a scientific hypothesis may be true.




What is an example of this in your book?

A scientific hypothesis that people believe in ?





1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.






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Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3  And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4  The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.








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Gaza devastation.






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Yadda said.....
Quote:
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Surrounding moslem nations have been assailing Israel - since 1948.

Today, Israel exists, is strong, and is thriving.


.......
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In contrast with Israel,
          every moslem nation in the region is in disarray and is being rent apart with internal - moslem - conflicts.

Why so ?

Aren't the moslems, the people who are blessed by Allah, their god -
...as a reward to moslems, for their righteousness, FOR BEING MOSLEMS ?





ISRAEL....

Genesis 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee....

Genesis 27:29
....cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

Numbers 24:9
....Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.







Moslems have been deceived
          ...by their own jealousy and self-pride.

And moslems have been cursed, BY GOD - because of their wicked enmity towards their brothers, Israel.



ISLAM is a false religion.

Mohammed is a false [self-serving] prophet.

Moslems are slaves,
         to a false and wicked spirit.


Galatians
4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29  But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



The blessing [of God], is with the children of Isaac [and Jacob - ISRAEL].

Genesis 21:10
Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11  And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
12  And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.




....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Exodus 4:22








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Psalms 85:9
Surely his salvation is nigh them that fear him; that glory may dwell in our land.
10  Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
11  Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
12  Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase.
13  Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.



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