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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #465 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:40pm Of course science is limited. That doesn't change the fact that just because something is unknown that a deity must therefore be responsible.
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Reply #466 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

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You look for god in the hand - the tissue, the nerves, the material - but should look in the sphere of the will.

The important thing is that YOU are your will, not your hand. Look for laws of nature when you study the hand. But these are irrelevant when you study the will. Science is impotent when you look at the will, where your personhood is.

I agree with your comments about science, but you go looking for God, and I'll go looking for Humanity in these places. I think I'll find what I'm looking for, but you'll be still looking for God. I doubt if you'll ever find Him though.

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Reply #467 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:20pm

John_Taverner wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

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You look for god in the hand - the tissue, the nerves, the material - but should look in the sphere of the will.

The important thing is that YOU are your will, not your hand. Look for laws of nature when you study the hand. But these are irrelevant when you study the will. Science is impotent when you look at the will, where your personhood is.

I agree with your comments about science, but you go looking for God, and I'll go looking for Humanity in these places. I think I'll find what I'm looking for, but you'll be still looking for God. I doubt if you'll ever find Him though.

I think that you're trying to build a straw man there Soren.

Number 1: I ain't looking for god. If there is a god and it wants me, it knows very well where to find me. If I were to be searching for a god, I wouldn't be looking at my hand, ..which of course I am not anyway.

Number 2: There's more than one way to skin a cat. Whatever brings somebody happiness and fulfillment is fine with me .. considering the obvious moral caveats of course.

Personally, I have more interests than I'll ever get around to doing or exploring in my lifetime.

It's probably partly due to conscious will and partly unconscious will that I find myself in a position to explore better than at any other time in my life. For that I am thankful to those who have helped me and to myself...not to anything supernatural or to any amazing inner discovery.

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Reply #468 - Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:02am

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Put your hand on the table.
Then decide to lift it.
And then lift it.
What caused your hand to move?
Your will, an entirely non-material, non-scientific force which nevertheless moved matter, your hand.
What is more, that non-material will is much more you than your material hand.

A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in my hands sending messages to my parietal lobe, association with the motor cortex in the frontal lobe did the job. See no requirement for will. But then will/desire has been mapped in the brain anyway.

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Reply #469 - Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:57am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Put your hand on the table.
Then decide to lift it.
And then lift it.
What caused your hand to move?
Your will, an entirely non-material, non-scientific force which nevertheless moved matter, your hand.
What is more, that non-material will is much more you than your material hand.

A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in my hands sending messages to my parietal lobe, association with the motor cortex in the frontal lobe did the job. See no requirement for will. But then will/desire has been mapped in the brain anyway.

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Reply #470 - Apr 27^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Put your hand on the table.
Then decide to lift it.
And then lift it.
What caused your hand to move?
Your will, an entirely non-material, non-scientific force which nevertheless moved matter, your hand.
What is more, that non-material will is much more you than your material hand.

A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in my hands sending messages to my parietal lobe, association with the motor cortex in the frontal lobe did the job. See no requirement for will. But then will/desire has been mapped in the brain anyway.

I take it this means, no actual response.

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Reply #471 - Apr 27^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

I take it this means, no actual response.

It means that it's like describing the Sistine Chapel ceiling in terms of a large array of pixels and trying to imply that this is entirely what was going through the artist's mind. It's just a series of codes.

It's reductio ad absurdum (scientium).

It's like comparing the following:

Quote:

In a masterful tour de force, Michelangelo invented a special image for the very first act of Creation. God himself seems to be taking visible shape before us as light itself is being created. It is only this one time that the painter shows us a view from below. His legs cut by the frame, it is as if the whole sky is filled with the Creator. With his arm he pushes back the darkness, and the light rolls in like clouds. Here, appropriately, the first person of the Trinity shares the field with nothing.

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JPWL_image_to_j2k.exe -r 40,20,10 -t 925,540 -i facade.pnm -o facade.j2k -W h,h0=64,h3=16,h5=32,p0=78,p0:24=56,p1,p3:0=0,p3:20=32,
p5=64,p6=0,s=0,s0=6,s3=-1,a=0,g=1,z=1 -x

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Reply #472 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Put your hand on the table.
Then decide to lift it.
And then lift it.
What caused your hand to move?
Your will, an entirely non-material, non-scientific force which nevertheless moved matter, your hand.
What is more, that non-material will is much more you than your material hand.

A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in my hands sending messages to my parietal lobe, association with the motor cortex in the frontal lobe did the job. See no requirement for will. But then will/desire has been mapped in the brain anyway.

I take it this means, no actual response.

"A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in my hands"

I can only laugh at this kind of bilge.
Why do you lift your hand - or not lift it - as you sit there, receiving the same sensory perception no matter what you chose to do.

Your kind of naive, dogmatically mechanistic irratioality is laughable.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #473 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 5:09pm How ironic accusing me of dogma.
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Reply #474 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 5:10pm

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Put your hand on the table.
Then decide to lift it.
And then lift it.
What caused your hand to move?
Your will, an entirely non-material, non-scientific force which nevertheless moved matter, your hand.
What is more, that non-material will is much more you than your material hand.

A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in my hands sending messages to my parietal lobe, association with the motor cortex in the frontal lobe did the job. See no requirement for will. But then will/desire has been mapped in the brain anyway.

I take it this means, no actual response.

"A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in my hands"

I can only laugh at this kind of bilge.
Why do you lift your hand - or not lift it - as you sit there, receiving the same sensory perception no matter what you chose to do.

Your kind of naive, dogmatically mechanistic irratioality is laughable.

Suppression of impulses by inhibitory neurotransmitters or conduction of impulses by excitatory neurotransmitters

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2212 Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #475 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 6:07pm Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? A: A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in its legs.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #476 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 7:03pm John_Taverner wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 6:07pm: Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? A: A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in its legs. Haha Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? A: A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in its legs A: God.
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2212 Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #477 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 8:20pm No, that's who it met when it was hit by a car
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story.... Reply #478 - May 4^th, 2015 at 1:45pm John_Taverner wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 6:07pm: Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? A: A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in its legs. I want to live in a world where a chicken can cross a road without its motives being questioned.
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Reply #479 - May 5^th, 2015 at 10:48am

John_Taverner wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?

A: A series of neural impulses starting with sensory receptors in its legs.

Crossing the road [for that hypothetical chicken] was a 'journey'.

Our life is a journey [...a longer one].

A journey which is full of choices, for us.

"Shall i cross this road?"

QUESTION;
What does the chicken gain, in crossing the road ?

ANSWER;
Experience, ...in what crossing the road feels like, and, the experience of what the consequence was [or would be], of [actually] crossing the road.

"I want to be.

That is why i crossed the road."

Ecclesiastes 11:7
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun:
8 But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.
9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

Ecclesiastes 7:2
It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.
3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.

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Luke 16:31

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