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Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story....
Reply #45 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 7:05pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 2:03pm:
This is what God's Holy Word has to say....

Psalm 14.1

The fool has said in his heart, there is no God.


Psalm 14.2

God looks down from heaven to see if there are any that seek Him.

Hence why in my original post in this topic, I stated that only God can make Himself known to you in a real way... but you have to seek Him and ask Him to.



1 Timothy 2:12
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Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.
 
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Reply #46 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 1:57pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
I do not, will not, accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because it [the hypothesis] is, or has been, stated.
.....nor, will i accept a scientific hypothesis as truth, merely because some people believe that a scientific hypothesis may be true.




What is an example of this in your book?

A scientific hypothesis that people believe in ?





1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.





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Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his [Israel's] redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Isaiah 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee [Israel] as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7  For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8  In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.


Jeremiah 23:3
And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
4  And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
5  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
7  Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8  But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.





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The international community should be standing with Israel.



Video tour through Israel

Israel ˇSeeing is Believing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLgdb6r0MQ4




Psalms 85:9
Surely his salvation is nigh them that fear him; that glory may dwell in our land.
10  Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
11  Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
12  Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase.
13  Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.





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Isaiah 66:8
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


Jeremiah 23:8
.....The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.





Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.


Psalms 132:13
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.


Psalms 149:1
Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.
2  Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3  Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
4  For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.




Christians insist that Jesus is our saviour.

The Bible declares that it is God [himself], who will be the saviour of his people.

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.




John 4:24
God is a Spirit:...


John 10:30
I and my Father are one.



John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #47 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 7:08pm
 
I think he might have been referring to more of a scientific truth, rather than one based on notoriously subjective morals.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #48 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
God doesn't exist in a way you exist now and will not exist in as soon as you die.

Yet you will not be forgotten the day you die. Is you idea, memory, mark on the world disappear on the day you die? No. That is just how God lives on after you die.

When you die, that's the end of you. It is not the end of the world. It is certainly not the end of god.

Life, existence is a person that you cannot but relate to.  Because you cannot relate to so significantly similar thing (life, love, meaning)  in any other way. God is a person like you but not in the trivial manner that you are a person.
Ineffable yet immanent mysticism is both under and over-rated, in each case because the wrong thing is emphasised.




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Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story....
Reply #49 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:18pm
 
Raven wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 2:03pm:
This is what God's Holy Word has to say....

Psalm 14.1

The fool has said in his heart, there is no God.


Psalm 14.2

God looks down from heaven to see if there are any that seek Him.

Hence why in my original post in this topic, I stated that only God can make Himself known to you in a real way... but you have to seek Him and ask Him to.



1 Timothy 2:12


I'm not sure why certain people bring irrelevant and offtopic verses from the Holy Bible into discussions such as this. I find it most irritating and tantamount to trolling.
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #50 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:24pm
 
Lisa, it is because they are unable to think for themselves.
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Reply #51 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:25pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
God doesn't exist in a way you exist now and will not exist in as soon as you die.

Yet you will not be forgotten the day you die. Is you idea, memory, mark on the world disappear on the day you die? No. That is just how God lives on after you die.

When you die, that's the end of you. It is not the end of the world. It is certainly not the end of god.

Life, existence is a person that you cannot but relate to.  Because you cannot relate to so significantly similar thing (life, love, meaning)  in any other way. God is a person like you but not in the trivial manner that you are a person.
Ineffable yet immanent mysticism is both under and over-rated, in each case because the wrong thing is emphasised.


Soren, my dear friend, are you an agnostic or an atheist?


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Reply #52 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:34pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Soren, my dear friend, are you an agnostic or an atheist?


Lisa, these aren't mutually exclusive.  I myself am an atheist and an agnostic.

I posted this description before:

Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:09am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:41am:
I would have suggested, that most atheists would claim, that there is no 'God'/creator being.


It is a little confusing, as the language is regarding a lack of belief rather than a belief.  It really is as simple as this:

theist- believes in a deity
atheist- does not believe in a deity.

The other issue is the knowledge claim, rather than the belief claim.

gnostic- claims to have knowledge
agnostic- does not claim to have knowledge (of a particular fact, not just in general Tongue)

I am an agnostic (does not claim knowledge) atheist (does not believe in a deity)

I'm guessing Yadda and Lisa are Gnostic (claim TO have knowledge) theists (believe in a deity)

You can have gnostic atheists and agnostic theists too, but those seem to be rarer


If you have any questions about it just ask Smiley
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Reply #53 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:49pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
God doesn't exist in a way you exist now and will not exist in as soon as you die.

Yet you will not be forgotten the day you die. Is you idea, memory, mark on the world disappear on the day you die? No. That is just how God lives on after you die.

When you die, that's the end of you. It is not the end of the world. It is certainly not the end of god.

Life, existence is a person that you cannot but relate to.  Because you cannot relate to so significantly similar thing (life, love, meaning)  in any other way. God is a person like you but not in the trivial manner that you are a person.
Ineffable yet immanent mysticism is both under and over-rated, in each case because the wrong thing is emphasised.


Soren, my dear friend, are you an agnostic or an atheist?



I am a believer - after a certain age you are lying or you are unimaginative if you say anything else.
What I believe is a bit - only a bit, I am no egotist - more complex than received dogma.

The world is incomprehensible without God. That god is also incomprehensible makes it all that much more of a lifelong challenge. But dismissing god because it is a challenging idea or a challenging presence or immanence is just spiteful stupidity.
There is nothing worse than to live only once and spend that single lifetime on cultivating spiteful stupidity. Yet many decide on just such a life.
Not me.

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Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story....
Reply #54 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:24pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:49pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
God doesn't exist in a way you exist now and will not exist in as soon as you die.

Yet you will not be forgotten the day you die. Is you idea, memory, mark on the world disappear on the day you die? No. That is just how God lives on after you die.

When you die, that's the end of you. It is not the end of the world. It is certainly not the end of god.

Life, existence is a person that you cannot but relate to.  Because you cannot relate to so significantly similar thing (life, love, meaning)  in any other way. God is a person like you but not in the trivial manner that you are a person.
Ineffable yet immanent mysticism is both under and over-rated, in each case because the wrong thing is emphasised.


Soren, my dear friend, are you an agnostic or an atheist?



I am a believer - after a certain age you are lying or you are unimaginative if you say anything else.
What I believe is a bit - only a bit, I am no egotist - more complex than received dogma.

The world is incomprehensible without God. That god is also incomprehensible makes it all that much more of a lifelong challenge. But dismissing god because it is a challenging idea or a challenging presence or immanence is just spiteful stupidity.
There is nothing worse than to live only once and spend that single lifetime on cultivating spiteful stupidity. Yet many decide on just such a life.
Not me.



What a beautiful reply.

I can actually relate to what you are saying.




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Re: God Does Not Exist. End of Story....
Reply #55 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:27pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:24pm:
Edited:
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:49pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
God doesn't exist in a way you exist now and will not exist in as soon as you die.

Yet you will not be forgotten the day you die. Is you idea, memory, mark on the world disappear on the day you die? No. That is just how God lives on after you die.

When you die, that's the end of you. It is not the end of the world. It is certainly not the end of god.

Life, existence is a person that you cannot but relate to.  Because you cannot relate to so significantly similar thing (life, love, meaning)  in any other way. God is a person like you but not in the trivial manner that you are a person.
Ineffable yet immanent mysticism is both under and over-rated, in each case because the wrong thing is emphasised.


Soren, my dear friend, are you an agnostic or an atheist?



I am a believer - after a certain age you are lying or you are unimaginative if you say anything else.
What I believe is a bit - only a bit, I am no egotist - more complex than received dogma.

The world is incomprehensible without God. That god is also incomprehensible makes it all that much more of a lifelong challenge. But dismissing god because it is a challenging idea or a challenging presence or immanence is just spiteful stupidity.
There is nothing worse than to live only once and spend that single lifetime on cultivating spiteful stupidity. Yet many decide on just such a life.
Not me.



What a beautiful reply.




If insecure, closed-mindedness is beautiful then, yes, I suppose it was.


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Reply #56 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:49pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
God doesn't exist in a way you exist now and will not exist in as soon as you die.

Yet you will not be forgotten the day you die. Is you idea, memory, mark on the world disappear on the day you die? No. That is just how God lives on after you die.

When you die, that's the end of you. It is not the end of the world. It is certainly not the end of god.

Life, existence is a person that you cannot but relate to.  Because you cannot relate to so significantly similar thing (life, love, meaning)  in any other way. God is a person like you but not in the trivial manner that you are a person.
Ineffable yet immanent mysticism is both under and over-rated, in each case because the wrong thing is emphasised.


Soren, my dear friend, are you an agnostic or an atheist?





I am a believer - after a certain age you are lying or you are unimaginative if you say anything else.
What I believe is a bit - only a bit, I am no egotist - more complex than received dogma.


The world is incomprehensible without God.

That god is also incomprehensible makes it all that much more of a lifelong challenge.

But dismissing god because it is a challenging idea or a challenging presence or immanence is just spiteful stupidity.


There is nothing worse than to live only once and spend that single lifetime on cultivating spiteful stupidity. Yet many decide on just such a life.
Not me.




Q.
Will those things which are thus far, 'undiscovered' [which many may claim are, essentially, un-discoverable], and thus far 'beyond our reach', always remain so ?

A.
They always will be, unless we are willing to 'reach out', and search for them.



Alternatively, many people on this little planet, have 'gone native', and are quite content with that [temporary] 'circumstance'.

An opinion, expressed by Yadda.




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"There is nothing worse than to live only once and spend that single lifetime on cultivating spiteful stupidity."


Well said, Soren.


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Reply #57 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:14pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:49pm:
The world is incomprehensible without God


Why do you think this Soren?  What parts of the world do you think are best explained by a deity?
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Reply #58 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 7:00am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:49pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
God doesn't exist in a way you exist now and will not exist in as soon as you die.

Yet you will not be forgotten the day you die. Is you idea, memory, mark on the world disappear on the day you die? No. That is just how God lives on after you die.

When you die, that's the end of you. It is not the end of the world. It is certainly not the end of god.

Life, existence is a person that you cannot but relate to.  Because you cannot relate to so significantly similar thing (life, love, meaning)  in any other way. God is a person like you but not in the trivial manner that you are a person.
Ineffable yet immanent mysticism is both under and over-rated, in each case because the wrong thing is emphasised.


Soren, my dear friend, are you an agnostic or an atheist?



I am a believer - after a certain age you are lying or you are unimaginative if you say anything else.
What I believe is a bit - only a bit, I am no egotist - more complex than received dogma.

The world is incomprehensible without God. That god is also incomprehensible makes it all that much more of a lifelong challenge. But dismissing god because it is a challenging idea or a challenging presence or immanence is just spiteful stupidity.
There is nothing worse than to live only once and spend that single lifetime on cultivating spiteful stupidity. Yet many decide on just such a life.
Not me.



I must say, I'm a bit surprised by your posts on this. You usually articulate yourself quite well, but you haven't here. A person, but not a person? If you're going to go to the trouble to communicate what you believe, at least do it in a way that can be understood.

Do you believe in God as a creator, conscious manipulator and judge/deliverer of punishment?

Is God an idea or a presence or just faith itself?


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Reply #59 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:07am
 


post #58

Yes!
Lay bear your soul Soren, do tell.        ....says Annie!



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