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Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Feb 13^th, 2015 at 6:39pm

Muslims believe that the Qur'an contains a message from an all-powerful, all-knowing, infallible being. If this is true then it should not contain any errors, mistakes, or information that contradicts known facts about the universe. If even one error exists in the text of Islam's holy book then the claims of divine authorship and infallibility are not true. An objective evaluation of the Qur’an shows that it contains numerous scientific and historical errors and it reflects a pre-scientific, 7th century view of the natural world.

Humans Created from a Clot of Blood

The Qur'an and Hadith depict that humans are formed from a clot of blood. There was never a stage in embryonic development where humans are formed into a clot of blood. This description is likely influenced by an unscientific and primitive understanding of human reproduction based on observations from an early-term miscarriage and a woman's menstrual cycle.

Qur'an 96:2

Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:

Sahih Bukhari 4:54:430

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mus'ud: “Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period.”

Clearly the quran was not put together by an infallible god. If it was allah would have to be autistic or of very low intellect.

Maybe its all just a misunderstanding on our part.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #1 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 6:59pm

Really?

Diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage. The external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot, due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood
present in the embryo.
The Developing Human
Moore, 5th ed., p. 65.

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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot Reply #2 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:02pm "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: " Er um no chance. Sorry allah.
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #3 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

No Mention of Female Ovum either.

Qur'an 86:6
He is created from a drop emitted

The Qur'an's author did not mention the role of the ovum in human reproduction and appears to have no knowledge of it. This verse fails to mention the important role of the female egg, or ovum, plays in the reproduction of humankind. It implies that reproduction is caused simply by the male semen. The human ovum is very small, though visible to the human eye, and it's purpose wasn't understood in the 7th century. Again, we are left wondering why an all-knowing deity would omit such information.

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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #4 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:07pm

Actually the Muslims are much more advanced than us in regards to this type of thing, while Golam big ears was busy opposing embryonic stem cell research on the gounds that he was completely ignorant about it the Iranians are already using it because they dont perceive the fetus is a human child until 3 months? cant remember. anyway, they dont have the view that a clump of cells is a human being unlike the d!ckheads who make the important decisions in this country.

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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #5 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:10pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

No Mention of Female Ovum either.

Qur'an 86:6
He is created from a drop emitted

The Qur'an's author did not mention the role of the ovum in human reproduction and appears to have no knowledge of it. This verse fails to mention the important role of the female egg, or ovum, plays in the reproduction of humankind. It implies that reproduction is caused simply by the male semen. The human ovum is very small, though visible to the human eye, and it's purpose wasn't understood in the 7th century. Again, we are left wondering why an all-knowing deity would omit such information.

Wrong again

We can see in this diagram the suspension of an embryo during the alaqah stage in the womb (uterus)
of the mother.(The Developing Human
, Moore and Persaud, 5th edition,page 66

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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot Reply #6 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:10pm Very cool, I think we can all see just how advanced they are, but allah still did not create man out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood. Simply because allah did not create anything as he doesn't exist nor did he write the quran.
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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot Reply #7 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:11pm No Mention of Female Ovum either. Qur'an 86:6 He is created from a drop emitted Do try and understand the subject at hand wally.
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #8 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

No Mention of Female Ovum either.

Qur'an 86:6
He is created from a drop emitted

Do try and understand the subject at hand wally.

You started the topic on the blood clot, which i refuted.

Then when you dont lie the answer, you resort to other questions that has nothing to do with the topic, because you cant come back with a counter claim, but pose another question.

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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #9 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:25pm

wally1 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

No Mention of Female Ovum either.

Qur'an 86:6
He is created from a drop emitted

Do try and understand the subject at hand wally.

You started the topic on the blood clot, which i refuted.

Then when you dont lie the answer, you resort to other questions that has nothing to do with the topic, because you cant come back with a counter claim, but pose another question.

Humans Created from a Clot of Blood

The Qur'an and Hadith depict that humans are formed from a clot of blood. There was never a stage in embryonic development where humans are formed into a clot of blood. This description is likely influenced by an unscientific and primitive understanding of human reproduction based on observations from an early-term miscarriage and a woman's menstrual cycle.

Qur'an 96:2

Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:

You never refuted that at all that is what the quaran author who was supposed to be infallible allah wrote. So you claiming that you refuted anything makes YOU the liar not me.

So you never refuted what the quran said at all.
So I gave you another example of quranic stupidity.

Shall we continue ?

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot Reply #10 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:32pm Oh, look, Matty has sucked some posters in!
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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot Reply #11 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:35pm It aint that hard when it comes to muslim apologists trying to prove the quran correct Matty. Oops John oh darn wally I meant Hot Smith.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot Reply #12 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:40pm SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:35pm: It aint that hard when it comes to muslim apologists trying to prove the quran correct Matty. Oops John oh darn wally I meant Hot Smith. You're obviously easily confused...
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #13 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:57pm

|dev|null wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

It aint that hard when it comes to muslim apologists trying to prove the quran correct Matty. Oops John oh darn wally I meant Hot Smith. Grin

You're obviously easily confused... Grin

Its like shooting fish in a barrel.
What no rebuttals to the OP Grin

He must be confused Grin

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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #14 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 8:10pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

It aint that hard when it comes to muslim apologists trying to prove the quran correct Matty. Oops John oh darn wally I meant Hot Smith. Grin

You're obviously easily confused... Grin

Its like shooting fish in a barrel.
What no rebuttals to the OP Grin

He must be confused Grin

Who?

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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