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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #15 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:15pm
 
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #17 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:16pm
 
You are you are incapable of debate. When you lose miserably or have no rebuttal you cry matty and troll. Interesting that gandalf is watching you troll hard in every thread.
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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.
 
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:18pm
 
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:16pm:
You are you are incapable of debate. When you lose miserably or have no rebuttal you cry matty and troll. Interesting that gandalf is watching you troll hard in every thread.


Excuse me Matty you're the one who introduced the word
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Reply #19 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:47pm
 
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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.
 
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #20 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:48pm
 

Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
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Muslims believe that the Qur'an contains a message from an all-powerful, all-knowing, infallible being. If this is true then it should not contain any errors, mistakes, or information that contradicts known facts about the universe. If even one error exists in the text of Islam's holy book then the claims of divine authorship and infallibility are not true. An objective evaluation of the Qur’an shows that it contains numerous scientific and historical errors and it reflects a pre-scientific, 7th century view of the natural world.


Humans Created from a Clot of Blood

The Qur'an and Hadith depict that humans are formed from a clot of blood. There was never a stage in embryonic development where humans are formed into a clot of blood. This description is likely influenced by an unscientific and primitive understanding of human reproduction based on observations from an early-term miscarriage and a woman's menstrual cycle.

Qur'an 96:2

Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:



Sahih Bukhari 4:54:430

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mus'ud: “Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period.”



Clearly the quran was not put together by an infallible god. If it was allah would have to be autistic or of very low intellect.

Maybe its all just a misunderstanding on our part.
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #21 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:49pm
 
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 7:25pm:
wally1 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 7:19pm:
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 7:11pm:
No Mention of Female Ovum either.

Qur'an 86:6
He is created from a drop emitted

Do try and understand the subject at hand wally.


You started the topic on the blood clot, which i refuted.

Then when you dont lie the answer, you resort to other questions that has nothing to do with the topic, because you cant come back with a counter claim, but pose another question.


Humans Created from a Clot of Blood

The Qur'an and Hadith depict that humans are formed from a clot of blood. There was never a stage in embryonic development where humans are formed into a clot of blood. This description is likely influenced by an unscientific and primitive understanding of human reproduction based on observations from an early-term miscarriage and a woman's menstrual cycle.

Qur'an 96:2

Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:

You never refuted that at all that is what the quaran author who was supposed to be infallible allah wrote. So you claiming that you refuted anything makes YOU the liar not me.

So you never refuted what the quran said at all.
So I gave you another example of quranic stupidity.

Shall we continue ?


Yes i will continue, why would i beleive a low life life you when there are people in the industry who know what there talking about.

1) Dr. E. Marshall Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, USA. Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. After studying the verses of the Qur'an he came to the following conclusion:

"The Qur'an describes not only the development of external form but emphasizes also the internal stages - the stages inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science... If I was to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described... I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved..."

2) Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson. Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Baylor Collage of Medicine, Houston, Texas. He is the President of the American Fertility Society, and has served in many other professional, national, and international organizations. He has received numerous awards including Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. He has published more than 400 chapters and articles in journals and books. He says:

"... these Hadeeths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God."

3) Dr. T.V.N. Persaud. Professor and Head of the Department of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Associate Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. He is the author and editor of 25 books, has contributed 31 chapters to publications, and has published over 180 scientific papers. In 1991 he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He says:

"Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate... were talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature... I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements."

4) After a study which lasted ten years, the famous French physician Dr. Maurice Bucaille addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 and expressed the complete agreement of the Qur'an and established findings of modern science. He presented his study on the existence in the Qur'an of certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction. His reason for doing that was that

"our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Qur'an could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times."

Based upon his extensive study of these issues over many years, Dr. Bucaille later converted to Islam.

5) Dr. Tejatet Tejasen, Head of the Department of Anatomy, Faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Thailand. After his study on the Qur'an passages dealing with embryology:

"From my studies and what I have learnt at this conference I believe that everything that has been reco
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:55pm
 
But god was supposed to be writing these sentences. Is allah autistic ? The quran wasn't written while mohammed was even alive. You have no quotes from the quran my OP does. The quran still says Humans were Created from a Blood Clot.

Try quoting more muslims and guess what it still won't change what the quran says. This must be very frustrating for you it took you ages to post that. allah never wrote the quran clearly because simply it is wrong. No amount of quoting other muslims can change the text.

At the end of the day humans were not and never were created from a blood clot.

The Author of the quaran got it wrong many years after mohammed had already died I might add and the quran stands testament to its own errors today negating its own claims.
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #23 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 12:12am
 
wally1 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:49pm:


Wally, don't fall into Matty's trap as a Troll...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #24 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 10:58am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 12:12am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:49pm:


Wally, don't fall into Matty's trap as a Troll...   Roll Eyes


Written by the biggest troll on this forum, what a joke!
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Reply #25 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 12:52pm
 
Adamant wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 10:58am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2015 at 12:12am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:49pm:


Wally, don't fall into Matty's trap as a Troll...   Roll Eyes


Written by the biggest troll on this forum, what a joke!


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Reply #26 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 1:38pm
 
Allah did not write the Quran because he does not exist.

Just as YHVH had nothing to do with the Talmud because he does exist.

And poor Joshua was talking to himself in Galilee before he was tortured and executed.
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Re: Quran Author says Humans Created from a Blood Clot
Reply #27 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm
 
Rebuttal of Wally's pseudo science.

Dr. Tejatet Tejasen and Dr. T.V.N. Persaud were born into the indoctrination of Islam, therefore they have to believe in. They have NO free will in the matter. Evidence is totally ridiculed.

Dr. Maurice Bucaille never became a muslim how can muslims claim he did?

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Known fact: The Muslim man whom I met in Tunisia in 1977, and who introduced me to Bucaille's book, told me that in 1976 Bucaille came and gave a lecture in Sousse, Tunisia. After the lecture my friend went up and asked him whether he had become a Muslim. Dr. Bucaille answered, "No."

Second known fact: At a public lecture in Fez Morocco in either 1981 or 1983, a friend of mine asked during the question period whether Dr. Bucaille had become a Muslim. Again Dr. Bucaille said, "No."

I sent Dr. Bucaille a copy of my book and I wrote him about various points three times, but he has never answered. A Catholic journal made a positive review of my book. Bucaille responded but his comments showed that he had not read my book carefully. In one instance his criticism was answered just a few pages after the page he quoted.

"I have no knowledge as to whether he has become a Muslim since 1981, but I doubt it "  William F. Campbell M.D.

He was also ridiculed by his peers!

Argument discounted as lies!

Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson stated "some comments that sound "silly and embarrassing" taken out of context"

More lies for Islam, by muslims to benefit islam.

The best ridicule is saved for last.

Dr. Marshall Johnson and all the others, forgot about an extraordinary man called Galen. A Roman Doctor of some repute. He explained 420 years before Muhammad was born the formation of the Foetus.

This would equate to around 620 years for the information to reach the ears of the Koran writers. Just in time for a lot of Plagiarism in FACT.

1. Geniture - an unformed white conceptus like semen (similar to nutfah)

2. A bloody vascularised foetus with brain, liver and heart (similar to alaqa)

3. Other features were mapped out but unformed (similar to mudghah)

4. Puer - all the organs were well formed and joints were freely moveable.

Source: Corpus Medicorum Graecorum: Galeni de Semine (Galen: On Semen) (English trans. Phillip de Lacy, Akademic Verlag, 1992) section I:9:1-10 pp. 92-95

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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 3:39pm
 
"Quotes" Adam?

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Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2015 at 3:44pm
 
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"Quotes" Adam?

From which Islamophobic website?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


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