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Does President el-Sisi remain a bona-fide moslem ?
Feb 17th, 2015 at 10:21am
 

QUESTIONS;
Is President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt a bona-fide moslem ?

Does President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt remain a bona-fide moslem ?







WHAT HAS OCCURRED ---------->

"Egypt's president condemns the 'inhuman criminal killers' who purportedly beheaded 21 Egyptian Christians kidnapped by Islamic State"



21 Egyptian Coptic Christians have been beheaded by ISIS cadres in Libya.

Those ISIS cadres in Libya are claiming to be devout moslems, and are claiming to be acting only in accordance with Koranic scripture [i.e. with Allah's commands].



In response to the beheadings of the 21 Egyptian Christians, President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt threatens retribution against those ISIS cadres in Libya.

And now President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt confirms that the Egyptian air-force have attacked ISIS cadres positions in Libya.


QUESTIONS;
According to the beliefs of every bona-fide moslem, does President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt remain a bona-fide moslem ?

OR,

In his decision to militarily attack those who claim to be devout moslems, has President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt
1/ proven himself to be a traitor to ISLAM, and,
2/ an enemy of Allah, and of all moslems ?






ISLAMIC SCRIPTURE JUSTIFYING THE ACTIONS OF ISIS ---------->

Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


Allah has said - ISIS [those claiming to be devout moslems] can legitimatly fight and kill Coptic Christians ----->


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


Allah has said - ISIS [those claiming to be devout moslems] can legitimatly fight and kill Coptic Christians ----->


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


Allah has said - ISIS [those claiming to be devout moslems] can legitimatly fight and kill Coptic Christians ----->


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


Allah has said - ISIS [those claiming to be devout moslems] can legitimatly fight and kill Coptic Christians ----->


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari #001.002.025







Allah has said - all Christians [and others] who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


Allah has said - ISIS [those claiming to be devout moslems] can legitimatly fight and kill Coptic Christians ----->


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29



Allah has said - devout moslems must have friends among themselves [i.e. fellow moslems] exclusively [i.e. excluding Christians] ----->


"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28


Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

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Re: Does President el-Sisi remain a bona-fide moslem ?
Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2015 at 10:22am
 



President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt confirms that the Egyptian air-force have attacked ISIS cadres positions in Libya.

QUESTIONS;
Is President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt a bona-fide moslem ?

Does President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt remain a bona-fide moslem ?

I wonder how the Grand Mufti of Australia would answer that ???


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The Federal Government should drop its plans to ban the radical group Hizb ut-Tahrir, according to the spiritual leader of Muslims in Australia. Photo: 7News

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/26289591/australia-s-grand-mufti-slams-gover...







ON ANOTHER OCCASION RECENTLY THE GRAND MUFTI OF AUSTRALIA SAID THIS ---------->

Quote:

"Koranic studies [in Australia] are flourishing.

ISLAMIC culture is spreading in an extraordinary way!

....because, as you know, ISLAM only flourishes where there is freedom.

....There is great freedom there. [i.e. in Australia, for moslems, to freely promote ISLAM!]"


- Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Salem - 2013-Jan-08

those words, transcribed from this YT -------->

Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Salem: "The West Produces Lies As Much as It Produces Technology"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObv7Uo6roY


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The importance which the Grand Mufti of Australia places upon,
"Koranic studies"


QUESTION;
Why would that be ???


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Re: Does President el-Sisi remain a bona-fide moslem ?
Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2015 at 10:23am
 


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 2:18pm:
Gandalf's beliefs:

- there is no capital punishment for 'secularism' in Islamic Law - in fact there is no capital punishment in Islam at all -


according to the only source muslims should be using - the Quran.



- there is no Islamic earthly punishment for crimes of thought - including apostasy and blasphemy

- Islam emphasises personal responsibilities between individuals and God Almighty - not enforcement of "Islamic Law" by a temporal government run by mortal men

- The "Islamic legal basis" for these claims is the Quran itself - a document that is 99% about the personal, spiritual journey an individual muslim should pursue to obtain enlightenment - which includes being nice to people and (very importantly) not forcing your views on to others.

- I hold with the greatest contempt the invoking of alleged ahadith that quotes Muhammad as saying "above all else, make sure you are a royal nice people to all non-muslims" - and other such teachings.

Gandalf's personal beliefs couldn't be a more polar opposite to the muslim beliefs as alleged by Yadda. And the great irony here is that it is Yadda who is the hateful and intolerant one - and would happilly see the institutionalised persecution of people for their personal beliefs. In truth, he is the very caricature that he lectures against day in day out.








Koran
009.023
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

009.024
YUSUFALI: Say: If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious.
PICKTHAL: Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: Say: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving in His way, then wait till Allah brings about His command: and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.




"From verse 14 to the end of the Surah members of the Muslim society, which was a mixture of the sincere Muslims and the hypocrites and the waverers, have been told plainly as to what is the criterion of sincerity in Islam. One kind of Muslims are those who are friends with the enemies of Islam: they do not hesitate for the sake of their interests to be treacherous to the religion which they profess to believe in; they spread all sorts of doubts and suspicions against Islam and prevent the people from adopting the Way of Allah. But since they are part of the Muslim community their false profession of Faith serves them as a cover and shield. The second kind of Muslims are those who, in the matter of Allah's Religion, do not care even for their own father, brother, children, and family, to say nothing of others. They do not cherish any feeling of love for the person who is an enemy of God and His Messenger and His Religion. Allah in these verses has explicitly stated that the people of the first kind, in fact, belong to Satan's party however hard they may try to convince others of their Islam by swearing oaths. And the honor of belonging to Allah's party is possessed only by the Muslims of the second kind. They alone are the true Muslims: they alone will attain to true success, and with them alone is Allah well pleased."


AL-MUJADALAH 58

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Re: Does President el-Sisi remain a bona-fide moslem ?
Reply #3 - Feb 17th, 2015 at 11:17am
 
I don't care whether he does or doesn't.

The fact is a military regime in these countries is the only way that order will prevail as well as a gradual emergence of the people out of medieval thinking.
The military in Egypt & Turkey has been a force for progress if you can get over your prejudice about democracy, which in many cases the West has just not been able to do.

Look at what is happening in Turkey now that the military has been gradually emasculated. The country is sliding back into the dementia that is Islam.
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Re: Does President el-Sisi remain a bona-fide moslem ?
Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2015 at 12:05pm
 


21 Egyptian Coptic Christians have been beheaded by ISIS cadres in Libya.


This 'lawful' slaughter of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians in Libya, by those claiming to be follows of ISLAM, remains a clear and open warning to all others, of the consequences for resisting the will of moslems.




Despite the denials [of such 'lawful' violent intent], which emanate from moslems like gandalf;

The fact remains, that ISLAMIC doctrine does sanction [and also 'legitimise'!!] violence, against anyone who rejects the authority of ISLAM [i.e. against anyone who rejects the 'divine' right of ISLAM and moslems], to order the lives of EVERYONE that 'the moslem' has been given the 'opportunity' by Allah, to 'influence'.




And, just the mere threat of this ISLAMIC 'divine' sanction of 'lawful' moslem violence against anyone who rejects the authority of ISLAM, remains a significant 'means' by which 'the moslem' can employ 'peaceful' intimidation against persons who would resist their will.

e.g.
"If you resist our will, there will be consequences which we moslems cannot be held responsible for!"

or,
"If you intentionally provoke moslems to anger, there will likely be consequences which the moslem community cannot be held responsible for!"



The consequences [and guilt] are always laid at the feet, of those who resist the will of 'the moslem'.

'The moslems are the innocent people.'







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Quote:
"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."


Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0





Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Re: Does President el-Sisi remain a bona-fide moslem ?
Reply #5 - Feb 17th, 2015 at 8:05pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2015 at 11:17am:
I don't care whether he does or doesn't.

The fact is a military regime in these countries is the only way that order will prevail as well as a gradual emergence of the people out of medieval thinking.
The military in Egypt & Turkey has been a force for progress if you can get over your prejudice about democracy, which in many cases the West has just not been able to do.

Look at what is happening in Turkey now that the military has been gradually emasculated. The country is sliding back into the dementia that is Islam.


Possibly, Bagarde but it could be that Turkey is trying out developing in a new, third way, where the military and the West don't control every action/reaction they have to every event...   Roll Eyes
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