polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:


Hmm a vile campaign of intimidation. What was vile about the campaign and what was intimidating ?

Describe this so called islamophobic scaremongering campaign. Why is it islamophobic thats a bit of a laugh and why is it scaremongering who is getting scared ? Oh and tell us about the campaign who runs it and how does it work ?


The owner of the cookie company said and I quote

"The Halal company that certifies us is based in Sydney, they come and they audit us and then they go away again, they don't 'bless' our foods, they don't 'bless' our site, there's no religious context to it, they check our hygiene and they check that there's no alcohol there," Mr Byrne said."


The definition of HALAL:

Halal products are derived from animals and/or poultry that have been prepared according to Islamic law under the following statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest/Bismillahi Allahu Akbar”.


So I take it the cookie factory is not HAHAL then since the food is not prepared under that religious statement. Given that fact its just a scam and rort.

Further more the owner of the cookie company states.

"But in the food industry the Halal certification also shows that there's no alcohol in our ingredients and so depending on the ingredient we get audited to say that there's no alcohol use in our production and that our production site is of an acceptable level of cleanliness and hygiene," Mr Byrne said.

Being a so called Australian has he ever heard of putting NO ALCOHOL and the appropriate ISO classification on his products. The premises has to be inspected and cleanliness and hygiene checked by the government anyway so he can keep on trading with food anyway so that is a laugh to roll that chestnut out. In essence his arguments for being halal certified are moot.

Words are cheap unless of course you are Kafrophobic. I am sure your response will be very well informed as usual since you claim to know all about islam.

Do Carry on.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 11:44pm:


Your definition is BS. Animals and poultry is only part of it. Halal also means there is no alcohol, among other things. The cookie company undergoes an inspection by halal certifiers so that they can tell their muslim customers "rest assured, there is no non-halal contaminents going into our products". This is good for business - deal with it.

But even if somehow you had some coherent point about the legitimacy of the certification process, you still haven't explained how it is a rort - given that the company itself is voluntarily going out to get the certification - and not only that, but are now fighting against the bigots to keep it.

Explain the rort please - any of you.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:


Gandalf, in what way was it vile and intimidating?

The Byron Bay Cookie Company is certified by the Halal Certification Authority Australia.

The owner of the cookie company said and I quote

"The Halal company that certifies us is based in Sydney, they come and they audit us and then they go away again, they don't 'bless' our foods, they don't 'bless' our site, there's no religious context to it, they check our hygiene and they check that there's no alcohol there," Mr Byrne said."


The Halal Certification Authority Australia States

CERTIFICATION PROCEDURE
An application form is sent.  Application Form
When the applicant returns the product information form, an information form is sent to each supplier if no Halal certificate exists.
Each supplier’s ingredient information is examined and if necessary tested.
If the material used and/or supplied found not to contain or having touched alcohol, pork, non-Halal meat or any other unacceptable material, than the same procedure is followed for the cleaning materials used.
An appointment is made to inspect the premises while in operation if the ingredients are satisfactory.
The inspector will:
6.1. Inspect the inward storage, preparation, packing and finished goods storage areas.
6.2. Examine all the material in storage.
6.3. Request to see the manufacturing flow chart.
6.4. Insure that the equipment and machinery are solely for Halal use.
6.5. Discuss the plan with the management.
The inspector shall submit a report of the visit with recommendations to the Imam.
The Imam shall study the report carefully and may make further recommendation, ask for changes or further inspections.
When the Imam is satisfied that the suppliers’ goods conform to Islamic dietary laws, an agreement will be entered into with each successful supplier.
When all the suppliers are approved, steps 5 to 9 are followed with the original applicant.
Halal Accreditation is given for qualifying products for one year.
Further random inspections are carried out where no meat is used; however permanent Muslims have to be employed in meat and poultry plants.
Meat used in Halal products must be from Halal animals slaughtered by Muslims under the supervision of the Authority’s representatives.




Now if its not a religious tax then there would be no mention of the words IMAM, Islam nor muslims. Nor the bigoted demand for muslims to be employed. Lets all hope they provide enough cash on their setup so the IMAM has a nice day. Too bad if he doesn't. As if a bloody IMAM sits there all day checking these.

Even the application only wants your basic details and ABN. It seems they must get on board as much as possible I would imagine.

An imam (/ɪˈmɑːm/; Arabic: إمام‎ imām, plural: أئمة aʼimmah; Persian: امام‎) is an Islamic leadership position. It is most commonly in the context of a worship leader of a mosque and Muslim community by Sunni Muslims. In this context, Imams may lead Islamic worship services, serve as community leaders, and provide religious guidance. For Shi'a Muslims, the Imam has a more central meaning and role in Islam through the concept of Imamah, the term is only applicable to those members of the house of the prophet ahl al-Bayt, designated as infallibles.[1] Imam may also be used in the form of a title for renowned Muslim scholars.

Maybe we have it all wrong and we must get an Islamic IMAM to give his stamp of approval on all our food. Lucky we have islam here to provide us with certification so we know our food is muslim safe.

No religious context, my ass. Why is the Byron Bay Cookie shop owner feel the need to lie then.

LEARN! what a rort.

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 1:25pm:


When the police are called in for causing distress to staff, its usually a pretty good sign of intimidation:

Quote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-25/byron-anzac-halal/5841118

But thats freeeeedom right?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:28pm:


It IS part of the definition and a salient part of that definition so your post is BS. Calling my post BS is ignorant. It IS part of the definition. All the other crap there is just waffle and was not worth spamming. Anyone can go there to read all the clap trap.

I don't need an exhaustive definition when one simple salient part of the definition proves my point.

I don't have to explain anything to your feigned ignorance. It is quite clear the Cookie Companies Food IS NOT Halal as the owner himself stated nothing like that was reenacted over his food.

If fact he said it had nothing to do with religion but a cursory look at the fuller or complete definition clearly shows its all Islamic BS.

Again certification it is just a rort. There is no need for it at all as stated.

Knowledge is Power.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:


If you find it hard to comprehend nor form a coherent informed post then simply don't post. Maybe you could display your intellect and call me Matty one more time.

Or maybe you could form an Informed argument or rebuttal.
I doubt it given your track record troll.

Everything is better with a ice cold Bismillah.