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Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:05am
 
Muslims believe that the Qur'an contains a message from an all-powerful, all-knowing, infallible being. If this is true then it should not contain any errors, mistakes, or information that contradicts known facts about the universe. If even one error exists in the text of Islam's holy book then the claims of divine authorship and infallibility are not true. An objective evaluation of the Qur’an shows that it contains numerous scientific and historical errors and it reflects a pre-scientific, 7th century view of the natural world.



Mary Confused with Miriam

Each of the following verses narrates the story of Jesus's birth. But Mary the mother of Jesus was born in the first century BCE and is not related to Moses and his family that existed 1500 years before. Miriam, not Mary, was the sister of Moses and Aaron and daughter of Amram (Imran).


Qur'an 19:27-28

At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"

Qur'an 66:12

And Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit;

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Hence the claim that Mary's mother is the wife of Imran is also false.

Qur'an 3:35-36

Behold! a woman of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things." When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."




Oopsies is allah confused or the author pretending to be allah.

Maybe its all just a misunderstanding and we have got it all wrong.
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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.
 
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:22am
 
No actually he doesn't.
It's actually the same name (and possibly the same person). It really depends on where you're using English, or Hebrew.
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:30am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:22am:
No actually he doesn't.
It's actually the same name (and possibly the same person). It really depends on where you're using English, or Hebrew.


Hmmm so the author is not confused then about who mary was related to then if we use the english how exactly ?
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:53am
 
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:30am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:22am:
No actually he doesn't.
It's actually the same name (and possibly the same person). It really depends on where you're using English, or Hebrew.


Hmmm so the author is not confused then about who mary was related to then if we use the english how exactly ?


Perhaps because the book has been translated??
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:56am
 
It's the same as Jesus...

"Yeshua (ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă‘ in Hebrew) was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ ("Yehoshuah" – Joshua) in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period. The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus"
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:07am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:53am:
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:30am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:22am:
No actually he doesn't.
It's actually the same name (and possibly the same person). It really depends on where you're using English, or Hebrew.


Hmmm so the author is not confused then about who mary was related to then if we use the english how exactly ?


Perhaps because the book has been translated??


Ahhh now your talking translated by a man yet it is supposed to be untainted and perfect written by allah's words.

Maybe allah was confused when he got the dude to translate it. Or maybe some dude just got it plain wrong. Either way it was written by a dude or allah who, well, now is fallible.
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:18am
 
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:07am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:53am:
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:30am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:22am:
No actually he doesn't.
It's actually the same name (and possibly the same person). It really depends on where you're using English, or Hebrew.


Hmmm so the author is not confused then about who mary was related to then if we use the english how exactly ?


Perhaps because the book has been translated??


Ahhh now your talking translated by a man yet it is supposed to be untainted and perfect written by allah's words.

Maybe allah was confused when he got the dude to translate it. Or maybe some dude just got it plain wrong. Either way it was written by a dude or allah who, well, now is fallible.


Not entirely (although I do agree that the Quran, and all other 'holy' books were actually written by men). The point is, Miriam is the Hebrew language version of Mary, so if you read the particular book in Arabic or Hebrew, the name will be Miriam, if you read an English translation, it's Mary. The same name, just different text.

Even 'hello' looks different in French, Italian, Hebrew, Arabic, Danish etc text than it is in English text...
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:22am
 
Yeah I already know miriam is mary I get what your saying and you are correct. The key to the op is its talking about who they are supposed to be related too because the quran has it wrong who the mother of Jesus was. The assumption was the author was confused over miriam and mary due to the relationships stated.
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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:10pm
 

"O Miriam, sister of Aaron, mother of Jesus!"


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/1#1
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:40pm
 
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:22am:
Yeah I already know miriam is mary I get what your saying and you are correct. The key to the op is its talking about who they are supposed to be related too because the quran has it wrong who the mother of Jesus was. The assumption was the author was confused over miriam and mary due to the relationships stated.


So you already knew Mary meant mariam then you say the Quran got it wrong.

You take your meds today?
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Re: Quran Author gets Mary Confused with Miriam
Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2015 at 11:35pm
 
wally1 wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:40pm:
SweetLambo wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:22am:
Yeah I already know miriam is mary I get what your saying and you are correct. The key to the op is its talking about who they are supposed to be related too because the quran has it wrong who the mother of Jesus was. The assumption was the author was confused over miriam and mary due to the relationships stated.


So you already knew Mary meant mariam then you say the Quran got it wrong.

You take your meds today?


You clearly didn't, where did I say mary wasn't the same name as miriam and the quran got the name wrong ?

For the simple : The key to the op is its talking about who they are supposed to be related too because the quran has it wrong who the mother of Jesus was. The assumption was the author was confused over miriam and mary due to the relationships stated.
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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.
 
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