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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #16 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 5:17pm

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:11pm:

All law-abiding and peaceful 'vast majority" - until they ain't.

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way, are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren? Grin

I am suggesting that it ain't a 'tiny minority' but more like a significant minority which the majority - perhaps the bare majority - can no longer pretend to be ' a tiny minority' that has nuffin' to do wiv Islam or them.

They, the supposed majority, should be on notice to deal with their significant minority or be counted as their active or passive enablers. In any case, the Muslims must take responsibility for their bad apples because they are indistinguishable from them right until the killing happens.

That's too great a risk for the rest of us infidels to carry.

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Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way,

are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren?

Why should moslems, in Australia, enjoy the rights and freedoms that are extended to other Australians ?

They should not.

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

Allah has said - all Christians [and others] who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

Allah has said - devout moslems must have friends among themselves [i.e. fellow moslems] exclusively [i.e. excluding Christians] ----->

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

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FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #18 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 7:38pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way,

are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren?

Why should moslems, in Australia, enjoy the rights and freedoms that are extended to other Australians ?

They should not.

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.

True.

Maybe there should be a clause in the permanent residency / citizenship oath that clears up this little crevice where the bludgerhadeen and their enablers have been hiding.

"Do you support the Ummah under sharia"?

Yes - you are out.

No - any future support for the bludgerhadeen will be perjury and loss of PR and citizenship.

Time to treat Muslims as Mohammed treated non-Muslims. Is that fair enough, Gandy, Hot breast, Brain?? Is it OK to treat Muslims by the standards they apply to others?

Or is that Islamophobic and wacist?

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Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:04pm

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 5:17pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:11pm:

All law-abiding and peaceful 'vast majority" - until they ain't.

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way, are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren? Grin

I am suggesting that it ain't a 'tiny minority' but more like a significant minority which the majority - perhaps the bare majority - can no longer pretend to be ' a tiny minority' that has nuffin' to do wiv Islam or them.

They, the supposed majority, should be on notice to deal with their significant minority or be counted as their active or passive enablers. In any case, the Muslims must take responsibility for their bad apples because they are indistinguishable from them right until the killing happens.

That's too great a risk for the rest of us infidels to carry.

I'm glad you weren't on the Web when "The Troubles" were still in full swing, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:06pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way,

are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren?

Why should moslems, in Australia, enjoy the rights and freedoms that are extended to other Australians ?

They should not.

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

They are also Australian citiziens for the most part in Australia, Y. Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 10:18am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way,

are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren?

Why should moslems, in Australia, enjoy the rights and freedoms that are extended to other Australians ?

They should not.

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

They are also Australian citiziens for the most part in Australia, Y. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

Many moslems are Australian citizens, in law.

IN LAW.

But all moslems are ALSO bent on treason and sedition, against Australia.

All moslems ARE - in fact - traitors who are bent on destroying Australia and on [eventually] murdering disbelieving Australians.

Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all disbelievers - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, whenever Allah provides that 'opportunity'].

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Despite the denials [of such 'lawful' violent intent], which emanate from moslems like gandalf;

The fact remains, that ISLAMIC doctrine does sanction [and also 'legitimise'!!] violence, against anyone who rejects the authority of ISLAM [i.e. against anyone who rejects the 'divine' right of ISLAM and moslems], to order the lives of EVERYONE that 'the moslem' has been given the 'opportunity' by Allah, to 'influence'.

Every moslem, owes his allegiance to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.

Allah himself states that no moslem can love infidelity, and remain a moslem.

Koran
009.023
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

So, i have to assume that EVERY moslem in Australia, who call themselves 'a moslem', and preach living peacefully with infidels are;

FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!

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e.g.
A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGES MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY,
FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems];

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

ALL MOSLEMS IN AUSTRALIA - - [by definition, of declaring themselves to be a moslem] ARE, FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEMS!

No exceptions, imo.

THE PERSON WHO DECLARES HIMSELF TO BE, A MOSLEM ------- >

By definition, 'the moslem' is a person who 'subscribes' to the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM.

That, is the essential definition of a 'moslem'.

And these monsters [moslems] live among us.

Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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Taqiyya
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #22 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 11:46am

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 5:17pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:11pm:

All law-abiding and peaceful 'vast majority" - until they ain't.

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way, are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren? Grin

I am suggesting that it ain't a 'tiny minority' but more like a significant minority which the majority - perhaps the bare majority - can no longer pretend to be ' a tiny minority' that has nuffin' to do wiv Islam or them.

They, the supposed majority, should be on notice to deal with their significant minority or be counted as their active or passive enablers. In any case, the Muslims must take responsibility for their bad apples because they are indistinguishable from them right until the killing happens.

That's too great a risk for the rest of us infidels to carry.

Why not answer the question Soren? Was it too hard for you? Too many syllables? Grin

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Reply #23 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 11:49am

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 7:38pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way,

are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren?

Why should moslems, in Australia, enjoy the rights and freedoms that are extended to other Australians ?

They should not.

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.

True.

Maybe there should be a clause in the permanent residency / citizenship oath that clears up this little crevice where the bludgerhadeen and their enablers have been hiding.

"Do you support the Ummah under sharia"?

Yes - you are out.

No - any future support for the bludgerhadeen will be perjury and loss of PR and citizenship.

Time to treat Muslims as Mohammed treated non-Muslims. Is that fair enough, Gandy, Hot breast, Brain?? Is it OK to treat Muslims by the standards they apply to others?

Or is that Islamophobic and wacist?

Maybe we should insert such a clause as this?

"If Danish and named Soren, do you support Martin Luther over the future Australian citizenship you're about to be granted?"

If yes, you're out.

If no, you're constantly watched to make sure you weren't lying!

I know which you'd answer Soren! Grin

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Reply #24 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm

Soren loses all credibility by pledging, and demanding, loyalty not to Australia, but to some vague ill-defined white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club. Thats how he can maintain the absurd notion that people are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values simply by wearing a piece of head-dress. He can only do this by rejecting the true values of Australia and identifying with something that is completely foreign to Australian values.

Soren is the very anti-integration, enemy-of-our-values caricature that he rails about day in day out.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #25 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Soren loses all credibility by pledging, and demanding, loyalty not to Australia, but to some vague ill-defined white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club. Thats how he can maintain the absurd notion that people are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values simply by wearing a piece of head-dress. He can only do this by rejecting the true values of Australia and identifying with something that is completely foreign to Australian values.

Soren is the very anti-integration, enemy-of-our-values caricature that he rails about day in day out.

But you've got to admit he's funny. Best comedy show I've ever read, really! Grin

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Reply #26 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 3:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Soren loses all credibility by pledging, and demanding, loyalty not to Australia, but to some vague ill-defined white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club. Thats how he can maintain the absurd notion that people are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values simply by wearing a piece of head-dress. He can only do this by rejecting the true values of Australia and identifying with something that is completely foreign to Australian values.

Soren is the very anti-integration, enemy-of-our-values caricature that he rails about day in day out.

You are not suggesting, are you Gandy, that the jihadi boys and girls fighting overseas or the ones plotting bloody mayhem here are actually loyal to Australia?

This stupid race card you surreptitiously pulling out - with your left hand, one hopes - is ridiculous.

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Reply #27 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 4:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club

Gandalf turns out to be a racist bigot.

SO sorry you are not "white" Gandalf!

It really helps to play the racist card when you are not white as well as choosing to be a muslim. Gives people like you all the room they require to bleat moan and groan how hard done by they are, eh Gadalf?

Is it better in the muslim mono/culture club? Can you get killed easier, you know, Sunni one day Shiite the next?

If your coloured MONO/CULTURE in muslim lands is so superior Gandalf, why live here in this dreadful den of iniquity?

Surely muslim lands abound with tolerance and kindness to all its citizens?

Less corruption by its ruling elite?

A fairer and more lenient Quranic based legal system to take care of infractions?

A health care system that is run by and for the Ummah?

It sounds like Utopia to me, would they allow kufre to live there, for long?

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Reply #29 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

The much bigger issue in this country is the hatred towards whites and the hate crimes committed against whites by aboriginal people. Any crimes committed by Muslims are tiny in proportion. We have 15 and 16 year old aboriginal youths raping and murdering old grannies on a frequent basis, wheres the outrage? Oh, thats right, no media spotlight, thats forbidden for aboriginal crime.

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