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Reply #30 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 5:02pm

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

This stupid race card you surreptitiously pulling out - with your left hand, one hopes - is ridiculous.

It is you who identifies with some European, white, judeo-christian club - as distinct from Australian. I can dig up a relevant post if you like.

To you its always been about race Soren, don't try and wriggle out of it now.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #31 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 5:24pm

Adamant wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club

Gandalf turns out to be a racist bigot.

SO sorry you are not "white" Gandalf!

It really helps to play the racist card when you are not white as well as choosing to be a muslim. Gives people like you all the room they require to bleat moan and groan how hard done by they are, eh Gadalf?

Is it better in the muslim mono/culture club? Can you get killed easier, you know, Sunni one day Shiite the next?

If your coloured MONO/CULTURE in muslim lands is so superior Gandalf, why live here in this dreadful den of iniquity?

Surely muslim lands abound with tolerance and kindness to all its citizens?

Less corruption by its ruling elite?

A fairer and more lenient Quranic based legal system to take care of infractions?

A health care system that is run by and for the Ummah?

It sounds like Utopia to me, would they allow kufre to live there, for long?

Oh, look, new words! Grin

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #32 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 6:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

This stupid race card you surreptitiously pulling out - with your left hand, one hopes - is ridiculous.

It is you who identifies with some European, white, judeo-christian club - as distinct from Australian. I can dig up a relevant post if you like.

To you its always been about race Soren, don't try and wriggle out of it now.

Arrant nonsense, G.

I certainly credit Europeans with creating Western civilisation and Europeans are overwhelmingly white. And yes, it is a more universal civilisation than any other and so if you can assimilate into it, you are welcome. The thing is, Non-Western civilisations are inferior to Western civilisation on any and all objective measures. This is very hard to accept for most non-Europeans but it is nevertheless true.

VS Naipaul is one of my examples - go and dig up the post. Not white.

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Reply #33 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 6:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Soren loses all credibility by pledging, and demanding, loyalty not to Australia, but to some vague ill-defined white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club.

Thats how he can maintain the absurd notion that people are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values simply by wearing a piece of head-dress......

gandalf,

We can be sure that moslems 'are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values'
........NOT because of how they dress.

But because of the mandatory nature of their exclusive allegiance to ISLAM.

ISLAMIC doctrine;

If a moslem does not HATE disbelievers, he is not a moslem, in Allah's eyes.

That is what moslem adults are teaching to moslem children - in Saudi Arabia [.....and probably, here in Australia TOO!]

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"While Saudi king promotes interfaith dialogue, Saudi textbooks still teach hatred and intolerance of everything -- and everyone -- non-Islamic"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/07/while-saudi-king-promotes-interfaith-dialogue-...

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"Saudis continue "reaching out" to Jews and Christians, while simultaneously teaching their children to hate those same Jews and Christians"

...Here, for example, is a multiple-choice question from a recent edition of a Saudi fourth-grade textbook, "Monotheism and Jurisprudence," in a section that attempts to teach children to distinguish between "true" and "false" belief in God:

Q. "Is belief true in the following instances:

(a) A man prays but hates those who are virtuous.

(b) A man professes that there is no deity other than God but loves the unbelievers.

(c) A man worships God alone, loves the believers, and hates the unbelievers."

The correct answer, of course, is (c): According to the Wahhabi imams who wrote this textbook, it isn't enough to simply worship God or just to love other believers; it is important to hate unbelievers, too. By the same token, (b) is wrong as well: Even a man who worships God cannot be said to have "true belief" if he also loves unbelievers.

"Unbelievers," in this context, are Christians and Jews. In fact, any child who attends Saudi schools until ninth grade will eventually be taught outright that "Jews and Christians are enemies of believers."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/07/saudis-continue-reaching-out-to-jews-and-chris...

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Allah has said - all Christians [and others] who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

Allah has said - devout moslems must have friends among themselves [i.e. fellow moslems] exclusively [i.e. excluding Christians] ----->

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #34 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 6:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Soren loses all credibility by pledging, and demanding, loyalty not to Australia, but to some vague ill-defined white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club. Thats how he can maintain the absurd notion that people are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values simply by wearing a piece of head-dress. He can only do this by rejecting the true values of Australia and identifying with something that is completely foreign to Australian values.

Soren is the very anti-integration, enemy-of-our-values caricature that he rails about day in day out.

So not endorsing the hijab, the chador and niqab is now against Australian values?? Must embrace strange and alien customs that signal adherence to strange and alien cultures. That's the Aussie way now?

They have taught well at the Hizbie Institute of Rhetoric, Gandy.

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Reply #35 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

So not endorsing the hijab, the chador and niqab is now against Australian values??

Not accepting people's right to wear whatever the faark they want is against Australian values, yes.

Since you don't accept this, you are therefore against Australian values as far as I'm concerned. You are a disgrace to our culture and values - you have proudly stated on here that you would castigate women for daring to wear a particular type of clothing. I have no time for you and your kind, you can piss off to whatever white-ass "western" utopia you think you belong to - cause it sure aint Australia.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #36 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 8:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

So not endorsing the hijab, the chador and niqab is now against Australian values??

Not accepting people's right to wear whatever the faark they want is against Australian values, yes.

Since you don't accept this, you are therefore against Australian values as far as I'm concerned. You are a disgrace to our culture and values - you have proudly stated on here that you would castigate women for daring to wear a particular type of clothing. I have no time for you and your kind, you can piss off to whatever white-ass "western" utopia you think you belong to - cause it sure aint Australia.

Nonsense.

Nobody accepts your right to walk the streets in an SS Totenkopf uniform or as a KKK outfit with nothing on but a grass skirt or a penis sheath - or a wet T shirt over your mammary substances. You couldn't wear them to a mosque or in any sharia jurisdiction (the nazi and KKK uniform you could but not the PNG or the sportsbar ouitfit)

And so with hiijabs, niqabs, burqas in Sydney, Paris, Copenhagen, Berlin. Not illegal but not exactly assimilationist either. Not saying " Thanks for taking us in, we really want to be fitting in with you". So criticism is offered.

Why do mosques have dress codes if it does not really matter how you dress, Gandy? You are a one-way hypocrite like all Muslims pushing for the acceptance of their own particular brand of discrimination.

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #37 - Feb 24^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

wearing a KKK outfit is an overt statement of hate. Wearing a head-dress for modesty is not.

Pretty bloody simple Soren - I cannot fathom how you can not comprehend this basic distinction.

And the other difference is that virtually no one bats an eyelid over the hijab - you are a lone voice in the wilderness with the absurd claim that the hijab is a rejection of our values or whatever BS you use to describe it. Thats why its you who is the recalcitrant Soren, not the unassuming woman in a hijab. It is *YOU* who rejects our values and it is *YOU* who doesn't belong here.

As for mosques, they are private premises - so the owners get to decide who goes in and in what manner. Just like you won't be welcome in my home if you don't take your shoes off. Just like FD can choose what is posted and by whom on this privately run forum of his. Again, pretty basic stuff here.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #38 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 9:03am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

wearing a KKK outfit is an overt statement of hate.

Wearing a head-dress for modesty is not.

gandalf,

Both forms of dress reflect and declare the ACTUAL 'worldview'/belief which the wearer supports.

e.g.

Membership of the KKK reflects intolerance of black people

THE 'VIRTUE' OF ISLAM, ON DISPLAY - in her form of dress a moslem women declares her respect for what ISLAM teaches and allows ---------- >

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood - running ISIS brothels, allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women.

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood,

"said she wanted to behead Christians with a “blunt knife”."

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Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165

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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193