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Reply #45 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 10:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

You see, it's not all about you. it is also about the people around you.

Good point S - like the fact that most people around you consider your views utterly repugnant and contrary to Australian values:

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A University of Western Sydney researcher has revealed the majority of
Australians are supportive of Muslim women’s decisions to wear traditional
Islamic headscarves.

Professor Kevin Dunn, a multiculturalism expert from the UWS School of
Social Sciences, has conducted an analysis of recent public opinion polls and
attitude surveys of more than 1300 people.

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Research indicates that around 85 per cent of Australians support cultural
diversity and are comfortable with the experience of cultural difference. The
majority of respondents (81 per cent) were not concerned about Islamic
women wearing the hijab in Australia.

Only 13 per cent of respondents expressed the view that wearing the hijab
was inappropriate in Australia.

http://www.uws.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/63120/Kevin_Dunn_media_release...

There you go S - you are a fringe dweller. You and your kind are pariah's in this country. If you don't want to accept our values piss the faark off

Meh - that was in 2009. Same lead author, two years later....

Nearly half of Australians are anti-Muslim: study
Updated 23 Feb 2011, 12:28pm

EXTERNAL LINK: University of Western Sydney: Challenging Racism

A decade-long national study has found that nearly 50 per cent of Australians identify themselves as having anti-Muslim attitudes.

Researchers from universities across the country polled thousands of people about their attitudes to different cultures and whether they had experienced racism.

The research found around one in 10 Australians identified themselves as prejudiced against other cultures.

About one-quarter of those surveyed said they had anti-Semitic or anti-Asian attitudes, while a slightly larger number were prejudiced against Aborigines.

Anti-Muslim sentiment was even higher, at 48.6 per cent.

Lead researcher Professor Kevin Dunn from the University of Western Sydney says recent political rhetoric has not helped.

"If you continue to speak about a group as a problem, whether that be asylum seekers or Muslims, that will [be] cast within the public mind," he said.

New South Wales was the state most intolerant of Muslims, with just over 54 per cent of people expressing prejudice.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-23/nearly-half-of-australians-are-anti-muslim...

Do a survey today, 2-3 years into the rein of ISIL and after the Lindt Cafe seige, Charlie and a various jihadi plots here and around the world and I bet the number is now well over half. You see, the reputation of Islam has not been improving since 2009. And it's nobody else's doing but the Muslims'. Islam is getting unlovelier by the minute, before our very eyes.

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Reply #46 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 11:10pm

complete red herring Soren.

Lets remind ourselves about what have previously said in regards to the hijab - without digging up the exact quotes, you have described them as an attack on our culture and a deliberate and sinister expressions of anti-assimilationist sentiments. Agreed? You reached a particularly low point when you proudly stated that you would happily go up to a woman you saw wearing a hijab and verbally intimidate them for being guilty of the above crimes.

Am I now to believe that you defend yourself and these attitudes of yours as somehow "consistent" with Australian values - by citing a study that notes that nearly half Australians have "anti-Muslim attitudes"? Well gosh S, do you think many of these people include "wearing a hijab is a declaration of war on our values" as part their "anti-Muslim attitudes"? And how many of those would consider it an appropriate thing to go and give a terrified woman who has done nothing to them a piece of their mind for the high crime of offending them with her head-dress?

Or would you prefer to dispense with the farce and concede that your extremist and backward attitudes are indeed not mainstream or consistent with our society's values - and you are therefore an extremist who is out of touch?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #47 - Feb 25^th, 2015 at 11:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 11:10pm:

loyalty not to Australia, but to some vague ill-defined white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club.

He can only do this by rejecting the true values of Australia and identifying with something that is completely foreign to Australian values.

Soren is the very anti-integration, enemy-of-our-values caricature that he rails about day in day out

It is you who identifies with some European, white, judeo-christian club - as distinct from Australian.

We can be sure that moslems 'are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values'
........NOT because of how they dress.

You are a disgrace to our culture and values

wearing a KKK outfit is an overt statement of hate. Wearing a head-dress for modesty is not.

virtually no one bats an eyelid over the hijab - you are a lone voice in the wilderness with the absurd claim that the hijab is a rejection of our values

As for mosques, they are private premises - so the owners get to decide who goes in and in what manner.

like the fact that most people around you consider your views utterly repugnant and contrary to Australian values:

complete red herring

attitudes of yours as somehow "consistent" with Australian values

and you are therefore an extremist who is out of touch?

Clearly you live in lala land but US aussies bloody well already knew that. I couldn't be half assed commenting on your version of Aussies and what we think.

If you can't handle the truth buggeroff to some middle easturd shithole that may be more your style.

At the end of the day your australian assimilation is so damn great you sit on a forum apologizing for an ideology that you follow which calls a man a prophet not until many decades after he even died. I don't even believe he knew he was there is no historical evidence at all. It just goes to show how gullible you musseys all are. Unable to execute rational thought for yourselves. The entire western world can see that. We humor you all in the hope you will all bloody grow up.

Not only that the entire west can see he clearly was a pedophile murderer and rapist. So here we have you sitting here for years on end defending this utter filthy cult and claiming to be australian and that all australians or the majority support your view.

The reality is we are sick of the cults BS on our TV's and the utter lunacy and volume of ignorance of people like you. As far as the burqa goes any smacking retard can work out wearing it in todays day and age is a big UP YOURS. Your problem is you don't want to or them to integrate into our culture and live a happy life together. Its your stupid slammic way or the highway. When you drop dead and find out your entire life was filled with utter BS that will be priceless.

Until then I guess us Aussies have to put up with the nonsensical garbage that is islam and muslims in OUR country.

So do carry on nothing will change you anyway IF you aren't jut a troll like Hot Breath is..

Throw another Burqa on the Barby Mate she'll be all right.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #48 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 11:10pm:

loyalty not to Australia, but to some vague ill-defined white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club.

He can only do this by rejecting the true values of Australia and identifying with something that is completely foreign to Australian values.

Soren is the very anti-integration, enemy-of-our-values caricature that he rails about day in day out

It is you who identifies with some European, white, judeo-christian club - as distinct from Australian.

We can be sure that moslems 'are declaring a big "up yours" to "our" society and values'
........NOT because of how they dress.

You are a disgrace to our culture and values

wearing a KKK outfit is an overt statement of hate. Wearing a head-dress for modesty is not.

virtually no one bats an eyelid over the hijab - you are a lone voice in the wilderness with the absurd claim that the hijab is a rejection of our values

As for mosques, they are private premises - so the owners get to decide who goes in and in what manner.

like the fact that most people around you consider your views utterly repugnant and contrary to Australian values:

complete red herring

attitudes of yours as somehow "consistent" with Australian values

and you are therefore an extremist who is out of touch?

Clearly you live in lala land but US aussies bloody well already knew that. I couldn't be half assed commenting on your version of Aussies and what we think.

Says a man who uses the name "Mohammed" online! Cheesy

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #49 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

Adamant wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

white skinned/judeo-christian mono-culture club

Gandalf turns out to be a racist bigot.

SO sorry you are not "white" Gandalf!

It really helps to play the racist card when you are not white as well as choosing to be a muslim. Gives people like you all the room they require to bleat moan and groan how hard done by they are, eh Gadalf?

Is it better in the muslim mono/culture club? Can you get killed easier, you know, Sunni one day Shiite the next?

If your coloured MONO/CULTURE in muslim lands is so superior Gandalf, why live here in this dreadful den of iniquity?

Surely muslim lands abound with tolerance and kindness to all its citizens?

Less corruption by its ruling elite?

A fairer and more lenient Quranic based legal system to take care of infractions?

A health care system that is run by and for the Ummah?

It sounds like Utopia to me, would they allow kufre to live there, for long?

Its about time you decided to answer, or go!

Which is it Gangalf?

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Reply #50 - Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 11:10pm:

complete red herring Soren.

Lets remind ourselves about what have previously said in regards to the hijab - without digging up the exact quotes, you have described them as an attack on our culture and a deliberate and sinister expressions of anti-assimilationist sentiments. Agreed? You reached a particularly low point when you proudly stated that you would happily go up to a woman you saw wearing a hijab and verbally intimidate them for being guilty of the above crimes.

Am I now to believe that you defend yourself and these attitudes of yours as somehow "consistent" with Australian values - by citing a study that notes that nearly half Australians have "anti-Muslim attitudes"? Well gosh S, do you think many of these people include "wearing a hijab is a declaration of war on our values" as part their "anti-Muslim attitudes"? And how many of those would consider it an appropriate thing to go and give a terrified woman who has done nothing to them a piece of their mind for the high crime of offending them with her head-dress?

Or would you prefer to dispense with the farce and concede that your extremist and backward attitudes are indeed not mainstream or consistent with our society's values - and you are therefore an extremist who is out of touch?

Hyperbole of a feverish victimhood mentality.
"wearing a hijab is a declaration of war on our values" - just stupid over the top incontinence. If this is the voice of moderate Islam, what do the exitable 'extremists' say??

Telling a hijabi what you think about the hijab is not verbal intimidation. It's expressing your opinion. Middle eastern or SE Asian Muslim garb worn in AUstralia or London is an expression of consciously opposing the mainstream culture around you. Remember, you are not forced to be here against your will.

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

Do decide, Gandy, whether you are for freedom everywhere or only for the freedom for Muslim in Kuffarland but not the freedom for kuffars in Muslimland. Your blinding hypocrisy (cloaked in victimhood) is startling. But the hoof of seething, suppressed sense of entitlement and superiority is very much in evidence under that phoney cloak. You are a victim of Islam and other Muslims, nothing else.

You expect respect for the social norms and dress code and behavioural standards of Islam in Muslim countries. I expect you to respect the social norms, dress code and behavioural standards of my culture. Two way street, freedom and respect.

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Reply #51 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:53am

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Telling a hijabi what you think about the hijab is not verbal intimidation. It's expressing your opinion.

when you're a complete stranger with no other reason to talk to her other than to tell her off for what she wears - of course its intimidation. You are completely delusional.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #52 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:55am

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

Oh good trotting out this absurd non-argument again.

I condemn Mecca, Raqqa, Mosul for such behaviour, and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #54 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:08am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:55am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

Oh good trotting out this absurd non-argument again.

I condemn Mecca, Raqqa, Mosul for such behaviour,

and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians.

gandalf,

FIRSTLY;
I really can not tell if you are being serious, or, not. !!!!!

Do you expect us to take such a declaration seriously ?

Perhaps you need to use the /SARC OFF qualifier for us when you are intending to be sarcastic.

SECONDLY;

AND

, I really can't tell who it is, that you are referring to -------- > ".......and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians."

gandalf,

I really believe that in a public forum like this, SPEAKING AS A DECLARED MOSLEM, TALKING ABOUT CRITICISING MOSLEM EXTREMISM, you do need to be much more definitive, about who the identity of "our"
are, in such a 'motherhood' [i.e. anti-extremism] declaration.

Because to me, it appears that you may be pretending to refer to the moslem community in Australia, as the "....our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians."
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PRESENTATIONS LIKE THIS, IS WHY I COULD QUESTION WHO IT IS THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO --------- >

e.g.

IMAGE....

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.

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Darwin's Muslim leaders and NT police discuss hijab harassment and racism at community meeting
105.7 ABC Darwin
By Emilia Terzon

.....Darwin's Islamic community has gathered to address concerns about the harassment of women in religious dress in the Northern Territory.

......
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.....Mr Razi [the event's moderator] said the event helped reinforce the importance of cross-community collaboration to tackle Islamophobia.

......
......

.....Mr Razi, an 18 year-old medical student originally born in Saudi Arabia, described his faith as a peaceful religion.

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its teachings, I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

"ISLAM is peace."

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Reply #55 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:17am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:55am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

Oh good trotting out this absurd non-argument again.

I condemn Mecca, Raqqa, Mosul for such behaviour,

and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians.

gandalf,

I really do insist that you clarify for us, who is it that you are referring to ???

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"....and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians."

'Our' ???

Who are, 'our' ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #56 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:57am

"our" as in 'Australian', as in 'western'.

Ironic question of the week: which culture in the world provides the most freedom and tolerance for muslims to practice their own religion? Muslim culture? Wrong. Its western culture.

Yes, it is a fact that most muslims in the world live in backward, oppressive hell holes - oppressive not least of all to their own religion.

Sad innit?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #57 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:05am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:55am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

Oh good trotting out this absurd non-argument again.

I condemn Mecca, Raqqa, Mosul for such behaviour, and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians.

What is progressive about wearing a niqab?

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Reply #58 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:07am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:57am:

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Ironic question of the week: which culture in the world provides the most freedom and tolerance for muslims to practice their own religion? Muslim culture? Wrong. Its western culture.

Notwithstanding Soren and Yadda's fantasies of transforming our tolerant and free society into the same oppressive hell holes as parts of the muslim world.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #59 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:10am

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:55am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

Oh good trotting out this absurd non-argument again.

I condemn Mecca, Raqqa, Mosul for such behaviour, and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians.

What is progressive about wearing a niqab?

Its progressive to not bully and intimidate women for daring to choose what they wear. A point you'll evidently never learn.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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