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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #60 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:12am

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

This is Soren-speak for saying he wishes Australia and the rest of the west would emulate the barbarity of these muslim places.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #61 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:57am:

"our" as in 'Australian', as in 'western'.

Ironic question of the week: which culture in the world provides the most freedom and tolerance for muslims to practice their own religion? Muslim culture? Wrong. Its western culture.

Yes, it is a fact that most muslims in the world live in backward, oppressive hell holes - oppressive not least of all to their own religion.

Notwithstanding Soren and Yadda's fantasies of

transforming our tolerant and free society into the same oppressive hell holes as parts of the muslim world.

Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf.

No gandalf.

It is you, and people like you, it is moslems, who are seeking to transform 'our tolerant and free society into the same oppressive hell holes as parts of the muslim world'
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By promoting ISLAM and its 'ideals', and by promoting the idea that it is tolerant 'virtuous' to allow the adherents of ISLAM to spread ISLAM's murderous 'ideals' in a nation like Australia.

EXAMPLE #1 - moslems promoting ISLAM in Australia.....

IMAGE....

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.

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Darwin's Muslim leaders and NT police discuss hijab harassment and racism at community meeting
105.7 ABC Darwin
By Emilia Terzon

.....Darwin's Islamic community has gathered to address concerns about the harassment of women in religious dress in the Northern Territory.

......
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.....Mr Razi [the event's moderator] said the event helped reinforce the importance of cross-community collaboration to tackle Islamophobia.

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.....Mr Razi, an 18 year-old medical student originally born in Saudi Arabia, described his faith as a peaceful religion.

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its teachings, I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself,

my community and the rest of the world."

And what does the creator want ???

TO DISCOVER WHAT THE CREATOR OF ISLAM WANTS, FOLLOW THE LINK ---------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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But now coming back to ISLAM in Australia, and the insistence of moslems that they [moslems] must have the freedom and the right, to promote ISLAM's ideas and ideals, here in Australia.....

EXAMPLE #2 - moslems promoting ISLAM in Australia.....

RECENTLY THE GRAND MUFTI OF AUSTRALIA SAID THIS ---------->

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"Koranic studies [in Australia] are flourishing.

ISLAMIC culture is spreading in an extraordinary way!

....because, as you know, ISLAM only flourishes where there is freedom.

....There is great freedom there. [i.e. in Australia, for moslems, to freely promote ISLAM!]"

- Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Salem - 2013-Jan-08

those words, transcribed from this YT -------->

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Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Salem: "The West Produces Lies As Much as It Produces Technology"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObv7Uo6roY

And do not forget that it is moslems just like gandalf who continually insist that;

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

- The Muslim Council of Britain

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ? Reply #62 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:27am Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am: No gandalf. It is you, and people like you, it is moslems, who are seeking to transform 'our tolerant and free society into the same oppressive hell holes as parts of the muslim world'. By quoting Mr fat lips and funny nose - not anything I actually said on the matter.
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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #63 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf.

Tell me Yadda - do you wish to ban Islam in Australia? Do you wish to apply legal restrictions on muslim's freedoms?

Yes or no please.

Gandalf condemns the oppression of non-muslims in muslim lands, and acknowledges it as a blight on the islamic world. Gandalf also applauds and is proud of his free and tolerant non-muslim society that stands up for the rights of all religions to practice their beliefs.

This is the society that Gandalf supports and strives for. Yadda opposes such a society.

Tell me again Yadda, who supports suppression of religion - Gandalf or Yadda? Try and answer honestly.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #64 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:57am:

gandalf.

Why should Australians allow a political and 'religious' philosophy like ISLAM to be 'practised' in Australia.

Surely, before that happens [before Australians allow ISLAM to be 'practised' in Australia] shouldn't Australian have the right to ask moslems to prove that ISLAM is a virtuous.

[n.b. i do not accede that ISLAM is a religion. ISLAM is not a religion, in any sense of the word 'religion' which Western culture would recognise. ISLAM merely uses the veil of religion [another ISLAMIC falsehood], to try to cloak ISLAM's WHOLLY political and WHOLLY worldly and WHOLLY secular ambitions, imo.]

gandalf,

Many moslems are want to insist that ISLAM is a virtuous philosophy.

gandalf,

Where does this example of ISLAM's virtue reside ?

Surely this virtue, which is the product of ISLAM, is not a myth ?

Surely you [as a devoted adherent to ISLAM], can point to just - one - single moslem majority jurisdiction in the world today, which exemplifies this 'virtue', which is the product of ISLAM ?

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Yadda said....
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The truth is, that there is no society in the world today [which is 'rightfully guided' by ISLAM], which is just and peaceful, and prosperous.

In fact, the opposite is true.

All societies in the world today, which claim to be ISLAMIC and Sharia guided, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.

gandalf,

ISLAM is not a virtuous philosophy.

But moslems like yourself, come here [and are now born here] and insist, that nations like Australia [and that the citizens of nations like Australia], must demonstrate OUR virtue, and allow a vicious, violent, murderous death cult [ISLAM] to be practised like Australia ?

.....simply to prove OUR virtue!!!!!!!

I want to see the practice of ISLAM banned in Australia.

And i want to see all mosques closed.

....but i'm not holding my breath.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #65 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf.

Tell me Yadda - do you wish to ban Islam in Australia? Do you wish to apply legal restrictions on muslim's freedoms?

Yes or no please.

See the bottom of post # 64

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Gandalf condemns the oppression of non-muslims in muslim lands, and acknowledges it as a blight on the islamic world.

You make that 'virtuous' claim.

BUT, BUT, BUT, you promote the freedom to practise a philosophy [ISLAM], which actually promotes the - LAWFUL - oppression and murder of anyone who does not believe what the 'moslem' believes.

Gandalf,

Your claims of condemnation at moslem violence, and claims of outrage at moslem violence, against non-moslems have no credibility.

Why so ?

Your claims of condemnation and outrage at moslem violence, against non-moslems, are illogical, in the face of your support for the right to freely practice of ISLAM.

ISLAM - which encourages and sanctifies [i.e. makes LAWFUL], the very religious violence, which you claim to condemn!!

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SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

Allah has said - all Christians [and others] who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

Allah has said - devout moslems must have friends among themselves [i.e. fellow moslems] exclusively [i.e. excluding Christians] ----->

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

Allah has said - all Christians who continue to reject Allah's pefect religion are among Allah's mortal enemies ----->

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #66 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf.

Gandalf also applauds and is proud of his free and tolerant non-muslim society that stands up for the rights of all religions to practice their beliefs.

Gandalf,

You claim to stand up for the rights of all religions to practice their beliefs, and religious tolerance.

AND, AND, AND, you are a moslem.

ISLAM, is a murderous death cult - NOT A TOLERANT RELIGION.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/21#21
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THE PERSON WHO DECLARES HIMSELF TO BE, A MOSLEM ------- >

By definition, 'the moslem' is a person who 'subscribes' to the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM.

That, is the essential definition of a 'moslem'.

And these monsters [moslems] live among us.

Gandalf,

In the face of the religious violence which ISLAM promotes and encourages, YOUR CLAIMS OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #67 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf.

Gandalf condemns the oppression of non-muslims in muslim lands.....

This is the society that Gandalf supports and strives for.

Yadda opposes such a society.

Tell me again Yadda, who supports suppression of religion - Gandalf or Yadda? Try and answer honestly.

Gandalf,

The doctrine of mainstream ISLAM promotes and encourages religious violence against disbelievers [those who reject ISLAM].

Gandalf,

YOU, claim to be a follower of ISLAM, a moslem.

YOUR CLAIMS OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/21#21
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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

---------- >

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #68 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

[quote author=Yadda link=1424590530/61#61 date=1424999622]Yadda holds up a mirror to gandalf.

Gandalf also applauds and is proud of his free and tolerant non-muslim society

that stands up for the rights of all religions to practice their beliefs.

Gandalf,

And so does the Grand Mufti of Australia!!!!!

RECENTLY THE GRAND MUFTI OF AUSTRALIA SAID THIS ---------->

Quote:

- Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Salem - 2013-Jan-08

those words, transcribed from this YT -------->

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Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Salem: "The West Produces Lies As Much as It Produces Technology"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObv7Uo6roY

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EXAMPLE OF ISLAM BEING PROMOTED BY MOSLEMS - IN AUSTRALIA

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Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM AS HE SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - WHO HAVE BECOME AWARE OF HIS PREVIOUS STATEMENTS

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NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM PROMOTING ISLAM AS A PEACEFUL RELIGION

.....just as people like gandalf, do.

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Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood;

Quote:

"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"...

"I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said.

"We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-w...

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #69 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:36pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

YOUR CLAIMS OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

My tolerance credentials are based on what *I* believe and what *I* practice. Not silly big-nosed bearded men you constantly shove in our faces - men whose views and actions I condemn and feel no affiliation with whatsoever.

You will never say that I am lying based on anything I actually say or do - because you can't.

I am religiously tolerant because I believe in and practice religious tolerance. The only thing you prove is your incredulity that a muslim can possibly be like this. But thats your problem, not mine.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #70 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

I want to see the practice of ISLAM banned in Australia.

And i want to see all mosques closed.

....but i'm not holding my breath.

You support religious intolerance, I don't.

Thats fine, but just understand that it is you who is the pariah in our society, and it is you who doesn't belong here - not me. You can piss off to your own little 'no-Islam' utopia along with Soren and Anders Brievik.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #71 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

YOUR CLAIMS OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

My tolerance credentials are based on what *I* believe and what *I* practice.

Not silly big-nosed bearded men you constantly shove in our faces - men whose views and actions I condemn and feel no affiliation with whatsoever.

You will never say that I am lying based on anything I actually say or do - because you can't.

I am religiously tolerant because I believe in and practice religious tolerance.

The only thing you prove is your incredulity that a muslim can possibly be like this.

But thats your problem, not mine.

gandalf [.....the moslem],

ALL MOSLEMS, revere the Koran as a holy book, and as a holy guide to moslems.

ALL MOSLEMS, revere the Koran as the inerrant words of Allah himself.

Dictionary;
revere = = respect or admire deeply.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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gandalf,

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

YOUR CLAIMS OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #72 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:55pm

yes I know Yadda - "Gandalf revers the Quran, the Quran is intolerant - therefore Gandalf is intolerant."

I've heard it a million times, but you will keep repeating it - because its literally your one and only argument. You'll continue to ignore that its not *MY* interpretation of the Quran, and rave on that its literally impossible to hold any interpretation of the QUran thats different to your own.

So carry on.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #73 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

yes I know Yadda - "Gandalf revers the Quran, the Quran is intolerant - therefore Gandalf is intolerant."

I've heard it a million times, but you will keep repeating it - because its literally your one and only argument.

You'll continue to ignore that its not *MY* interpretation of the Quran, and rave on that its literally impossible to hold any interpretation of the QUran thats different to your own.

gandalf,

Its a 'leap' to try to claim that a verse like Koran 9.29, DOES NOT MEAN, what it does clearly mean.

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Yadda parraphrases gandalf.....

"I'm gandalf. I'm a moslem. But the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM mean nothing to me."

Yadda said....
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gandalf is the type of moslem who promotes only peace, and does not follow the violent parts of his faith. Tongue

Yadda said....
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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

gandalf,

To me, it seems that you are intentionally misrepresenting what ISLAM [through the authority of the Koran] teaches, and allows.

And are intentionally [for what purpose/reason] ignoring, how moslems are commanded to always conduct themselves with hostility [when strong], and/or with deceit [when weak], in all of their interactions and dealings with 'disbelievers'.

gandalf,

Did you get a special dispensation from Allah, allowing to to disregard HIS instructions [i.e. in the Koran] ???

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

gandalf,

Do you feel that i am maliciously misinterpreting the meaning of Koran 60:4 ??

Oh yeah!!!!

I didn't 'misinterpret' Koran 60:4 !!!

I merely posted its contents!!!!!

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/21#21
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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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gandalf,

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

YOUR CLAIMS OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

« Last Edit: Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:06pm by Yadda »

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #74 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

yes I know Yadda - "Gandalf revers the Quran, the Quran is intolerant - therefore Gandalf is intolerant."

I've heard it a million times, but you will keep repeating it - because its literally your one and only argument.

You'll continue to ignore that its not *MY* interpretation of the Quran, and rave on that its literally impossible to hold any interpretation of the QUran thats different to your own.

gandalf,

Its a 'leap' to try to claim that a verse like Koran 9.29, DOES NOT MEAN, what it does clearly mean.

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Does the word "fight" mean physically attack or just "struggle again" Yadda? Grin

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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